Why are "real hip hop fans" so afraid to admit that Lil B & Chief Keef have been influential?

[Ghostface Trillah]

let's not act like tight pants and faggy clothes were invented in this decade nikkas in the 60s and 70s got a lot of explaining to do

Don't confuse clothes that fit correctly with wearing a dress,earrings, and a grandma church bonnet. Early rap acts wore what the rockstars wore at the time.

Skinny jeans and big sneakers came from the village in NYC. Where all the homosexuals live and party. They would wear skinny jeans so they wouldn't bleed on or cover their sneakers.

 

[JetLife]

i love 80s and 90s hip hop just as much as so called self entitled "real hip hop" fans, but why is it that these people lack complete objectivity and let their personal taste downplay influence? Is it because they feel they're some how protecting and defending "real hip hop" and "real lyricists"? In doing so?

I'm not a Stan either for either artist by any means, so save that accusation. I fukk with about a dozen or so Of Lil Bs song, I like Keefs older music a lot but he lost me for a bit. Although lately he's been back to putting out dope shyt.

It's mainly because the "keep it hip hop fam" crowd have a very narrow scope of music. All they understand is dirty drums, soul samples, and rhyme filled "bars" with no regard for other aspects / metrics for music. They never want to step out of that comfort zone since they "understand" this formula.

Just look at how many of these "hip-hop heads" wanted Nas to make 10 illmatics and hated him for IWW when it first dropped, yet IWW in retrospect was a great piece of work in how to make his artistry "bigger". Look at how many of these same people still want Kanye to make 10 College Dropouts and hated 808s, yet in retrospect, 808s had a much bigger impact on hip-hop than CD ever did.

If Nas and Kanye adhered to these fans who can't progress with new music, they'd literally be AZ and Talib Kweli one trick ponies who dilute their sound and become boring after 2 albums.

That's not to say these same "hip-hop heads" should just outright love Lil B/Keef etc., but they should understand they have a place in the game in the sense they are the experimenters. They are the ones with the freedom to push the boundaries, try crazy things, and see what works and what doesn't and not have to worry about their career. Because of their experimentation, a guy like ASAP Rocky can take elements of Lil B, bring it back closer to a "normal" sound, and put out a borderline mixtape classic in Live.Love.Asap.

The game actually needs more Keefs/Lil Bs because hip-hop has always been filled with more copycats / mr. me toos than actual creative innovators.

 

[SirBiatch]

Because they've been influential in a negative way. Dumbing down lyricism and wearing woman's clothing isn't something that people are going to proudly brag about

Lil B birthed ASAP Rocky, the best rapper of the new school.

Otherwise, I agree with your comment. Conversations about influence are pointless unless the influence leads to further greatness (is positive).

Lil B birthed ASAP Rocky.

Chief Keef birthed..... who exactly?

I find it strange that so many people claim Lil B created all these styles for people to blow up with but he could never find a style to blow himself up. Dude is the definition of an internet rapper. Seriously, have u ever heard a Lil B joint on the radio or club ? It's like dude doesn't exist when I log off my computer. I'm not sure you can give a dude credit for letting other dudes take your style and blowing up and you the style creator cant. Sad really.

You don't find it strange that a guy with zero radio play who released all his music online for free is more known than 95% of rappers with record deals?

 

[WickedGames]

Lil B birthed ASAP Rocky, the best rapper of the new school.

Otherwise, I agree with your comment. Conversations about influence are pointless unless the influence leads to further greatness (is positive).

Lil B birthed ASAP Rocky.

Chief Keef birthed..... who exactly?



You don't find it strange that a guy with zero radio play who released all his music online for free is more known than 95% of rappers with record deals?

Look at you stating Rocky is the best rapper of the new school as if it's anything other than your own unpopular opinion I like Rocky too. I wouldn't say Lil B 'birthed' ASAP at all. Rocky just took a couple styles, adlibs and themes

 

[Mandarin Duck]

I wouldn't say Lil B 'birthed' ASAP at all.

 

[JuvenileHell]

Because they are trash. Being influential isnt always a good thing. There is such a thing as bad influences.

 

[Renegade47]

chief keef is trash influential or not his influence shouldnt be praised.

 

[cjlaw93]

Chief Keef birthed a whole movement .

 

[Sean312]

Lil b completely changed the game. Literally everyone is taking the way he says his ad libs in a bouncy way. * Whoo , Swag * from Ross to migos, and allot of people have made careers off of his flows AND dances. He was the first I've heard to do that slurry slow mumbling flow. And low key he changed the music video game too. Him and soulja was the first ones shooting dslr music videos. Big artist started doing them after they saw lil b and Chicago blow up doing it

 

[Sean312]

And sosa did too, if it was no sosa there would be no fetty wap, shy glizzy, fat trel, lil bibby, lil herb, And half of the slang everyone is using.

 

[DoubleClutch]

The crazy thing is so many rappers influenced by lil b or basically copied him have blown up and made more money (even though lil b is pretty rich I bet) than him.

But lil b is a legend

 

[SirBiatch]

Look at you stating Rocky is the best rapper of the new school as if it's anything other than your own unpopular opinion I like Rocky too. I wouldn't say Lil B 'birthed' ASAP at all. Rocky just took a couple styles, adlibs and themes

bu bu but your opinion is unpopular

Keep telling yourself that

 

[WickedGames]

bu bu but your opinion is unpopular

Keep telling yourself that

Not too long ago he was "done" wasn't he breh? make your mind up
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/i-think-asap-rocky-is-done.324454/

 

[SirBiatch]

Not too long ago he was "done" wasn't he breh? make your mind up
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/i-think-asap-rocky-is-done.324454/

I'm glad you've got my threads bookmarked. They're an ample education source for this site.

But you've gotta learn to stay on topic

 

[The Collie]

Some people can't pinpoint Lil B's influence in other songs because they haven't listened to any of his songs. If you have then it's blatantly obvious.