the cac mamba
Veteran
i just think theyre shootin a lil high
Why are Y'all against fastfood workers making $15/HR???
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i just think theyre shootin a lil high
PartyHeart
All Star
Could be. But it is a smart negotiation tactic to start off high, which I think is their angle.
Daps for you starting your own company making 6-7k a month.Buncha classist on here i see, People don't deserve livable wages because anyone can flip burgers? Have any of you cats ever worked a fast food joint? most of you would not last a few days. The problem is that these are billion dollar companies who prey on the uneducated and the poor. If they had livable wages maybe they can afford to get an education and to better themselves. Who cares if you were fresh out of college making $14/hr...who fault is that? I never went to college and started my own company making 6-7k a month and it was UNSKILLED because i never trained or was never certified for anything and anyone could do it. And i actually see people complaining about the increase that can cause to the dollar menu? are you fukking kidding me?! You got "educated" people in here complaining about the price dollar menu at McDonalds? I have not ate McD's in over a decade, i much rather support a local business who actually use fresh, local ingredients..that is the "educated" thing to do rather than waste your money just to feed yourself trash. You nikkas make me sick, you people want equality in the country but do not understand this plays a big role in that. If you don't want to be put down on your egotistical totem pole then you might as well throw equality in the bushes. Disgusting.
72-80k a year.
Because the information is misguided.
beenz
Rap Guerilla
my "office job" might be easier than working at mcdonald's, but let's be reality.
a mcdonald's worker couldn't do my job whereas I could easily do theirs. yeah, I'd work harder doing their job, but I'd rather work work smarter at my gig than harder at theirs.
a mcdonald's worker couldn't do my job whereas I could easily do theirs. yeah, I'd work harder doing their job, but I'd rather work work smarter at my gig than harder at theirs.
What does this have to with anything?
i say let the market decide. Workers can demand whatever they want, mcdonald can offer whatever they want, workers can unionize as long as they respect the laws, mcdonald can close restaurants as long as they respect the laws. passed that, let them negotiate and they'll get paid what they get paid.
it's about supply and demand. it's not how hard you work. it's how in demand your skill set is.
What does that have to with multi billion dollar corporation paying the labor min. Wage and letting the government subsidize their wages ?
If @beaniemac was trying to get a raise and his boss said well you couldn't do an aerospace engineer job, but they could do yours. So you don't deserve a raise.
Would that make sense to you?
They are not trying to make the same money as @beaniemac.
They are trying to get paid what the government says is a livable wage.
if you think the minimum wage should be raised, that's one thing.
but beyond that, like i said it's about skills and demand. I think workers should have the right to ask whatever they want and companies should offer whatever they want. then they eventually come to a compromise. the whole concept of "deserve" is irrelevant to me.if beaniemac asked for a raise, why would his boss give him that raise if he could keep him at the same salary and replace him if he quits?
beenz
Rap Guerilla
actually, I asked them for a raise cuz they have a hiring freeze, and they refuse to replace the 3 other members that are sposed to be on my team. they hit me with a
so I went and hit these e-streets to look for a new gig. now watch if I get offered another gig, they are gonna be all changing their tune about giving me compensation. I agree, the world isn't about "deserve". hell, most people who work "deserve" more, but most likely u aren't gonna get it just cuz of that alone. I decided that in order for me to even get more here, I have to create an better opportunity somewhere else. cuz I'm only as valuable to them as my other options elsewhere.btw, companies are stupid sometimes. replacing an existing employee with a new one typically cost MORE than giving an existing employee a raise.
exactly. it's about knowing your worth and considering other opportunities. expecting companies to give you a raise out of the goodness of their heart is some simp/sucker shyt. you gotta force their hand to give you what you want. As far as hiring new employees and costs, i agree with you but typically they hire the new employee at a lower salary and it's also an opportunity for them to add responsibilities to the job title for less pay (depending on if the job market allows it). but yeah, it's definitely bad business in most cases even considering all that because of the training costs as well as the experience loss.actually, I asked them for a raise cuz they have a hiring freeze, and they refuse to replace the 3 other members that are sposed to be on my team. they hit me with a
btw, companies are stupid sometimes. replacing an existing employee with a new one typically cost MORE than giving an existing employee a raise.
"deserve ain't got nothing to do with it..."
beenz
Rap Guerilla
when it comes to the corporate world, I say this:
even if you hire someone at a lower pay, you gotta factor in the cost of having to train them, the cost of finding a person by HR (that takes man hours), the paperwork man hours, the time the managers have to put in to find and interview and hire a new candidate, and if they are coming from outside the company (given they are currently employed), you might have to haggle with them on benefits such as vacation time and what not. all of these are cost that quickly will add up to more than what a nominal raise to retain a current employee who already knows what they are doing. on top of that, they have to take a chance on a new person they don't know over a proven commodity (existing employee) that they do know.
But here is the thing... When wages go up... Workers will have to make sacrifices in other ways... flexibility, and benefits that were there when the wage was at 7.50 would diminish when the wage goes up... and the job will become more stressful and shytty because they will be expecting more productivity out of that work..
Also, you need to think about the fact that workers will have to take on less hours... More part-time workers...
You also need to think about the youth(teens) workforce who are getting priced out of the market because they are willing to work for 7.50...
You also need to think about Franchise owners who are technically still considered "small business owners"... If they close down, you don't need to worry about the 15$ wages because all those workers will be unemployed...
You also need to think about Companies expecting more productivity out of those higher wages... Eventually Robots will be doing the work because why pay $15 for the $7.50 productivity? You know some McDonalds don't even have window people? they outsource that work to India...
Lets say McDonalds workers are getting paid 15$ per... That means the people higher up on the foodchain making 15$ are going to demand more, and the next level will then demand more...
Also, you need to think about the fact that workers will have to take on less hours... More part-time workers...
You also need to think about the youth(teens) workforce who are getting priced out of the market because they are willing to work for 7.50...
You also need to think about Franchise owners who are technically still considered "small business owners"... If they close down, you don't need to worry about the 15$ wages because all those workers will be unemployed...
You also need to think about Companies expecting more productivity out of those higher wages... Eventually Robots will be doing the work because why pay $15 for the $7.50 productivity? You know some McDonalds don't even have window people? they outsource that work to India...
Lets say McDonalds workers are getting paid 15$ per... That means the people higher up on the foodchain making 15$ are going to demand more, and the next level will then demand more...