Why are you personally against the ADOS movement?

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I don’t like the name. I don’t like being called a descendent of slaves. No disrespect to the people who went through that but this is one of those things that’s going to blow up in our faces if it really catches on mainstream, just like all races say the n word openly now, you’re gonna have all races openly calling us slaves



U hate black woman.

U dont even like being black.

Stfu
 

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Who is against it? I am a descendant of slaves on both sides so I AM it. How can I be against what I'm actually made of?

I am against being divisive amongst the Black people of the Earth

I am against falling for whatever y'all fell for that makes you think letting Trump win is something to do.

Your vampire enemies want you to exactly those two things. Fight amongst each other and stay out of the voting process

Very convenient that this little hastag accomplishes everything the NAZIS want to accomplish

And yes I want my check. But am I dumb enough to think joining Trump will get me one...?
 
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Who is against it? I am a descendant of slaves on both sides so I AM it. How can I be against what I'm actually made of?

I am against being divisive amongst the Black people of the Earth

I am against falling for whatever y'all fell for that makes you think letting Trump win is something to do.

Your vampire enemies want you to exactly those two things. Fight amongst each other and stay out of the voting process

Very convenient that this little hastag accomplishes everything the NAZIS want to accomplish

And yes I want my check. But am I dumb enough to think joining Trump will get me one...?


White liberals dont care about black people or conservative.

U just a liberal shill.

Ados is a movement for descendant of slaves here

The other black groups arent part of it because they didnt endure 265 years of slavery 92 years of jim crow and 50 of mass incar.

It not dividing no one. The other blacks have caricom and can get there dos reparations from france britain etc.

Could u stop witb the bullshyt please.

Its the same ploy already debunked.

Tell ur liberal white friends to give ados reparations. And than we will vote for them other than that.

fukk them
 

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Where are people getting the idea you can’t do both

There are African descended people on the Caribbean island puppet states that call themselves Jamaican, Haitian etc but are still pan african

shyt is not always a matter of dualism or extreme choice leanings
Because they are polar opposites.:francis: Ados is more than just a separate identity. Imo, it is the better option.
 

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The reality of the political system in this country is that you either need to have the numbers in the right areas (i.e. how whites have representation in every county in the US from big cities to 200 population towns in the middle of nowhere) or you need money and influence to essentially buy influence of politicians (i.e. Jewish lobbying and overrepresentation in institutions of power and influence).

This is the reality of the system. So, ADOS definitely don't have the latter and as 13 percent of population, and not only that most of the population concentrated only select places, especially big cities already safe Democrat usually, the ability of the ADOS community alone to affect change is small as it relates to the dominate group.

This is the reason why there has historically been an effort to coalition build but we know that unfortunately the reality is that when other groups have a choice to ally with blacks who are at the bottom of the social, political, and economic totem pole and the other option are whites who are on the opposite end of the pole, it's not surprising they choose the more socially beneficial option. The reality is that there is no incentive for other groups to build a PoC coalition when they realize that despite any challenges they face they know the people on the bottom will always receive the biggest brunt of abuse and in general can survive unscathed as long as they don't rock the boat by either keeping their own self interest in mind or even worse, supporting the white supremacist/anti-black society as a way for partial acceptance.

Saying all this because on one hand I understand the motivations of an ADOS movement. But on the other hand, never heard of a successful movement that operates by reducing it's numbers and appeal such as not only making sure that even other black groups are pushed out and segmented from ADOS but among some folks do it with hostility toward said groups. At the same time I understand it because said groups have folks in their rank who has shown hostility towards ADOS for the reasons other groups do that I listed above.

In short since I typed a bunch of shyt, I don't hate the movement, I just don't think it's strategically great. But I don't have beef with folks who support it. But I think economic Independence and building is needed more than anything else.
 

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Because they are polar opposites.:francis: Ados is more than just a separate identity. Imo, it is the better option.

I disagree because there are immigrants down with parts of our mission. And I’m down with black immigrants getting paid themselves as well. That is a part of pan-Africanism.. having each other’s backs

I’m all for checking c00ns, and clearing out the blavity/post Trayvon/quasi-gay-foreigner blacks from the current narrative because they have failed and are destroying all of the black movements

But there are black immigrants that proudly have voiced they stand for us and with us. Only c00ns and non blacks get HYON energy from me
 

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Not even gonna focus on the ethical argument against it, Imma just focus on the emotional pushback that the "ACL/ADOS" divide sparks.

Regardless of the misconceptions that people push on the internet, Majority of non-ADOS immigrants/first generations live in or lived in lower income majority black areas AKA "the hood". So from a young age, Afram people and their culture is what we were exposed to and brought into.

Hell, my youngest memory of race being a thing was in Kindergarten, where me and the other black boys (all American) had a little clique and we got a new kid who was a black Cuban named Ricardo. Thinking he "was black like us" I befriended Ricardo and introduced him to the rest of my friends, and they quickly let me know "he wasn't like us" and rejected him (I'm guessing his hair texture was the disqualifier).

Point is, at a young age I didn't know there was any difference between me, a Nigerian boy, and my American black friends. And even them being "race-aware" at a young age didn't register me being different, or at least not enough to consider me not part of their in-group. So from that point 5 year old me is like "yea, I'm a black boy", that's the first identity me and most immigrant kids ever form, no different than an American black kid.

Most NON-ADOS kids don't become aware of their immigrant identity until around ages 10-14. Me, I was aware a little younger because my half American big brother would always stress "I'm not African, I'm black! Y'all are African!" But 10-14 is usually the age where your parents try to start instilling in you "You're not black, you're (insert immigrant identity)." And if you're unlucky, even the black kids that you grew up with will start to treat you a little different. So you know you're different, but that point you're so entrenched in your first identity as a "black kid" you don't want to let it go, to the point you'll go against your parents and family to hold on to it.

Your parents and family constantly told you "you're not the same as them/they don't really like you/eventually they're gonna reject or harm you, just wait" in hopes that you will accept your immigrant identity as your primary identity, but you're stomp down in the idea that you and American blacks are the same ingroup....

Then one day you aren't, somebody tells you in so many words "yea, you have the same skin color as us, lived in the same situation as us, struggled just like us, experienced racism just like us... but you're not like US"

You feel hurt and betrayed, because that identity that meant the most to you, the first identity you ever formed. You went against your family and culture to hold on to that identity. Then you feel stupid because your parents, aunts, uncles told you this was gonna happen and you didn't listen. This happens to a lot of immigrant kids, but the ADOS wave feels like that on a macro level.

The people that aren't really hurt by it are the ones that stopped holding their "Black American" identity as their primary identity before it came. You don't have to drop it completely, but I transitioned from "I'm from Southwest Houston" to "I'm from Igbo Ukwu, Anambra State by way of Southwest Houston" years ago. My Nigerian/Igbo identity holds just as much weight as, if not a little more, as my identity as a "black American".

But for somebody that hasn't gone through the process of embracing their immigrant identity, and still primarily identifies as a "black American", it feels like you're trying to strip them of the main identity they have and value.

Also, keep in mind I'm from Southwest Houston, which has the highest concentration of Nigerians in the world outside of Nigeria. So even when you felt rejected by American blacks, you found reprieve in the fact their were enough Nigerian and African kids/people around for you to bond to a new group pretty easily.

But if you live in an area that doesn't have a lot of non-ADOS blacks, your pain is probably gonna be worst because it's not like you can just go hang with the Hispanics, Asians, White people (well a lot of immigrants will try to join another non-black group if they can't find a black group to fall in with, people long to belong to an ingroup. But usually in non-black groups they'll be even quicker to let you know you're not like them).
 
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A couple months ago on my way to burgerking 2 black men in ski masks shouted to me and said "You that Gold nikka from TheColi?:birdman:"

I said yes:lupe:

Then they beat me up and poured hydrogen peroxide on my hair. They shouted "This is ADOS country!!" in thick Nigerian accents :patrice:


I just sat there crying to myself... why me? :mjcry:

























Why me God?:mjcry:
 

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Can all these damn threads get merged or something?

It's literally the same posters, name drops, and talking points that lead NOWHERE.
This. A singular thread in the TLR that's all about everything dealing with the ADOS movement would be great.
 

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Why cant ADOS do write in votes instead of sitting out all together??? Sitting out makes you look like you werent going to vote anyway, going to the poll shows that you are registered, and your not going for that hoe shyt. You should not giving that vote to the Republikkkans that got in bed with people that hate us, but I think this will make a real statement

Why doesnt ADOS have its own candidate for this write in??


Are the only reparations acceptable cash payments???
cash payments alone aint enough

and they are not advocating sitting out, just not voting for a candidate if they dont have a specific black agenda

go check out breaking brown on youtube

not against their main objectives(reparation, separate ethnicity recognition)

just alot of toxic people with anit black immigrant rhetoric in the fold so I can't rock with full it throttle
what ados is anti immigration :ohhh:
 
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