Why aren't soccer players tearing their ACLs at the rate other athletes are?

[Carlos Huerta]

We're talking ACL injuries, not cruciate ligament damage.

 

[godkiller]

They still have drug-tsting but obviously a lesser emphasis than big money sports. Besides most of those dudes are fukking more with things like EPO if anything.

Far less likely than other sport, which is what I have stressed from the beginning. Thus a lower barrier and more doping. Also, Britain's anti-doping rules are not exactly clear. They're more clear than Spain and Germany's though, whom actually do way less testing than even England. This is how Messi got away with clear doping. Messi, for whatever reason, was allowed to dope while competing as a young teen and teen. But then maybe the other guys were also doping. Messi's big problem was his size and physicality so doping helps him more than it would help a bigger kid coming through the Barca ranks.

One could argue that NFL and NBA players dope up until the league too though.

 

[Carlos Huerta]

This is unlikely. The NFL and NBA randomly test and punish their athletes for juicing, which implies they probably aren't juicing as much as soccer players, who largely don't get tested. Elite sports with less rigorous testing tend to have more juicers than those sports with testing, if only because there's more upside and less risk involved in juicing. Messi, for example, was taking HGH pills as late as 13 years old. He may have been taking them well into adolescence when h started playing yet the Spanish league investigated him for it.

Breh.. i just went through this thread and read your posts. Are you becoming a troll? I hope so because just about everything you've said in here is pure nonsense.

Do you know any NFL players? I'm friends with two ex-players from the Giants and Jets and there's a cat here in The Coli that just had a long thread about all the drug use that's involved not just at the NFL level, but college as well. A large majority of NFL players are on the sauce. This is known.

 

[godkiller]

Breh.. i just went through this thread and read your posts. Are you becoming a troll? I hope so because just about everything you've said in here is pure nonsense.

Do you know any NFL players? I'm friends with two ex-players from the Giants and Jets and there's a cat here in The Coli that just had a long thread about all the drug use that's involved not just at the NFL level, but college as well. A large majority of NFL players are on the sauce. This is known.

Outside of the ACL gaffe, everything I've seen is pretty poignant. I even back up what I say with evidence which is more than can be said for most posters. I have repeatedly backed up my assertions with evidence and adjusted them when new evidence is presented. As such I'll take your opinion with a grain of salt. Soccer DOES have far less testing than NBA and NFL players and presumably sports with less testing have more doping. While NFL players may or may not be doping, other sports are probably doping as much or more, which is what I said. This makes perfect sense.

 

[Carlos Huerta]

Outside of the ACL gaffe, everything I've seen is pretty poignant. I even back up what I say with evidence which is more than can be said for most posters. I have repeatedly backed up my assertions with evidence and adjusted them when new evidence is presented. As such I'll take your opinion with a grain of salt. Soccer DOES have far less testing than NBA and NFL players and sports with less testing DO often have more doping.

You have to understand the NFL drug testing is a sham though. There would never truly be an initiative for a smaller, slower NFL. Bigger, faster = better product = $$.

The one guy here and there that gets "caught" is just so they could tell the public "look, we're clean!".

 

[godkiller]

You have to understand the NFL drug testing is a sham though. There would never truly be an initiative for a smaller, slower NFL. Bigger, faster = better product = $$.

The one guy here and there that gets "caught" is just so they could tell the public "look, we're clean!".

The NFL drug testing program is way more thorough and widely treated than any soccer regimen, which is all that pertains to my statement about doping barriers. Far more NFL players get caught than soccer players because soccers players don't get tested.

 

[USSInsiders]

Far less likely than other sport, which is what I have stressed from the beginning. Thus a lower barrier and more doping. Also, Britain's anti-doping rules are not exactly clear. They're more clear than Spain and Germany's though, whom actually do way less testing than even England. This is how Messi got away with clear doping. Messi, for whatever reason, was allowed to dope while competing as a young teen and teen. But then maybe the other guys were also doping. Messi's big problem was his size and physicality so doping helps him more than it would help a bigger kid coming through the Barca ranks.

One could argue that NFL and NBA players dope up until the league too though.

Like I've said ad nauseum. Any major testing is a sham. Why wouldn't sports orgs not want their players at their strongest and healthiest capabilities? It's just to appease the masses that thing these drugs are the same has heroin or coke. FIFA doesn't have the same PR issues that MLB or NFL have with PEDs. Match-fixing is a bigger issue for FIFA

 

[Roid Jones]

and this got daps

What do you expect, these idiots don't know shyt about sports

 

[godkiller]

Like I've said ad nauseum. Any major testing is a sham. Why wouldn't sports orgs not want their players at their strongest and healthiest capabilities? It's just to appease the masses that thing these drugs are the same has heroin or coke. FIFA doesn't have the same PR issues that MLB or NFL have with PEDs. Match-fixing is a bigger issue for FIFA

I think it's going too far to call drug testing a "sham" in sports but it certainly is purposely limited. That, however, doesn't mean there is no differentiation between sports in terms of breadth and depth doping test. At the end of the day, there is a giant dearh of testing in soccer which implies that massive more amounts of doping is going on there than is the case in other sports. This can be said at the same time as saying most drug testing is sort of a self-interested sham.

Alternatively I think match-fixing and PEDs are big soccer issues. I think the latter isn't an issue for corrupt FIFA because countries like Spain want their clubs and players to compete physically with countries like England whom have better athletes. Thus Spain is far less likely to test their players.

 

[USSInsiders]

I think it's going too far to call drug testing a "sham" in sports but it certainly is purposely limited. That, however, doesn't mean there is no differentiation between sports in terms of breadth and depth doping test. At the end of the day, there is a giant dearh of testing in soccer which implies that massive more amounts of doping is going on there than is the case in other sports. This can be said at the same time as saying most drug testing is sort of a self-interested sham. Alternatively I think match-fixing and PEDs are big soccer issues. I think the latter isn't an issue because countries like Spain want to compete physically with countries like England whom have better athletes.

Depends on the sport. I don't think the NFL has any legitimate interest in getting rid of drugs. Obviously they have zero regard for their players based on their treatment of the concusions so why would they give a fukk about drugs other than to appease the mothers of the country?

 

[Roid Jones]

Whenever there's a soccer thread in the coli, people go full retard.

'Yo I saw that Romnaldo cac on tv, shyt he does is easy, just give me 2 years'

 

[Carlos Huerta]

I think it's going too far to call drug testing a "sham" in sports but it certainly is purposely limited. That, however, doesn't mean there is no differentiation between sports in terms of breadth and depth doping test. At the end of the day, there is a giant dearh of testing in soccer which implies that massive more amounts of doping is going on there than is the case in other sports. This can be said at the same time as saying most drug testing is sort of a self-interested sham.

Alternatively I think match-fixing and PEDs are big soccer issues. I think the latter isn't an issue for corrupt FIFA because countries like Spain want their clubs and players to compete physically with countries like England whom have better athletes. Thus Spain is far less likely to test their players.

Why do you think PEDs are a big issue in soccer?

 

[Brosef]

I'm in college and so have access to the full article:

A Meta-analysis of the Incidence of Anterior Cruciate Ligament Tears as a Function of Gender, Sport, and a Knee Injury–Reduction Regimen

Basketball:
"The female college incidence was 0.29, and the male rate was 0.08. The female-male ratio was 3.63. For high school, the female rate was 0.09 and the male rate was 0.02. The female-male ratio was 4.5. The female professional incidence was 0.20, and the male incidence was 0.21."
^
So the injury incidence rate decreases in male basketball in college versus high school probably because college basketball is filled with better athletes. This means the
athletes get weeded out before they even get there. Same pattern in soccer (except even worse since anybody can play soccer ):

Soccer
The mean female collegiate rate was 0.32, and the male rate was 0.12. The female-male ratio was 2.67. For indoor soccer, the female rate was 5.21 and the male rate was 1.88.

So ACL injury rate goes up the more the lower the competitive level.
So soccer players are more than basketball players which is why they get more ACL injuries. Basketball players get less ACL injuries even though they are several times bigger than soccer players. The study remarks that ACL training helped the soccer player--and not the basketball players--probably because the soccers are more in the first place. Any amount of training to make their ACLs stronger helps them

I wish the paper used the smiley so these Coli dudes could understand. Good reading but the assumptions you're making are too big.

It's useful to look at the sport-specific response to injury-prevention programs. In soccer, 3 studies showed huge decreases in tear rates with proper prevention protocols while they say in basketball the tear rate actually went up

Prevention seems to make no difference in basketball but the FIFA 11+ program has reduced ACL tears by 30 - 50 %

Also interesting that they expected football to have higher ACL tear rates than the NON-CONTACT sports, but since it doesn't, it means NON-CONTACT injury mechanisms are more prevalent for ACL tears

 

[Brosef]

How was I wrong about not being able to make ligaments stronger?

You're right, the only way you can make a ligament stronger is by surgery. Muscles, biomechanics can be tweaked to decrease stress through the ligament.

Repaired ACL's are stronger. For example, a repaired ACL using a hamstring graft needs 4300N to tear it, compared to 1750N for a native ACL that me and you have

 

[BLAZO da GAWD]

'Yo I saw that Romnaldo cac on tv, shyt he does is easy, just give me 2 years'

"If Calvin Johnson played at a young age, he'd dominate the sport. Our best athletes choose other sports :derp:"