"Why aren't there more black libertarians?"

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

That's exactly what the Paul family wants, especially KKK affiliate ron paul

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...il-rights-act-its-about-controlling-property/



Here is libertarian and @DEAD7's hero Ron Paul posing with former KKK grand wizard and owner/operator of st0rmfr0nt Don Black, and his son

Brother's still sipping the Kool-Aid of the Pauls? Damn, they need to step out of 2008 and face the facts...

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/98883/ron-paul-incendiary-newsletters-exclusive

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-sources-say/2012/01/20/gIQAvblFVQ_story.html

“A Special Issue on Racial Terrorism” analyzes the Los Angeles riots of 1992: “Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began. ... What if the checks had never arrived? No doubt the blacks would have fully privatized the welfare state through continued looting. But they were paid off and the violence subsided.”

The November 1990 issue of the Political Report had kind words for David Duke.

This December 1990 newsletter describes Martin Luther King Jr. as “a world-class adulterer” who “seduced underage girls and boys” and “replaced the evil of forced segregation with the evil of forced integration.”

A February 1991 newsletter attacks “The X-Rated Martin Luther King.”

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

...So how should society be structured? What ideas do you support? if any?

A Republic.

 

[DEAD7]

Reducing libertarianism down to one person makes it easier to attack and I respect that move, but its fallacious.
Bigoted legislatures exist in all parties, and I think attacking any party for it is silly, and indicative of a weak hand

 

[Broke Wave]

If we reduced libertarian to say, Hayek, we'd still find a picture of what in my view is nonsensical depravity

It's the fundamental belief that you're a superior being to others and if they didn't have those pesky regulations and laws protecting them the market would shift you to the top of the gene pool. It's not based in any empirical evidence and totally nonsensical when it comes to economics. The only place Libertarians are mostly right is in civil liberties and foreign policy.

 

[DEAD7]

If we reduced libertarian to say, Hayek, we'd still find a picture of what in my view is nonsensical depravity

It's the fundamental belief that you're a superior being to others and if they didn't have those pesky regulations and laws protecting them the market would shift you to the top of the gene pool. It's not based in any empirical evidence and totally nonsensical when it comes to economics. The only place Libertarians are mostly right is in civil liberties and foreign policy.

How about reducing it to voluntary interaction, or the rejection of violence/aggression upon peaceful human beings.


edit: @ your avi

 

[Broke Wave]

How about reducing it to voluntary interaction, or the rejection of violence/aggression upon peaceful human beings.


edit: @ your avi

Being born in America wasn't a voluntary action so through that alone this whole idea of everybody being peaceful and neutral human beings with equal opportunities and safety is nonsense. You can voluntarily leave the country if you don't like the laws which have been democratically chosen by the people, peacefully. Libertarians want to remove freedoms by not allowing people to vote for their own protections and oversights. They don't want people to decide to outlaw or ban lets say dumping waste in a river, they want those people to make a massive ad campaign so that maybe it'll hurt their pockets and the market will punish them. It's really a foolish assertion.

 

[DEAD7]

Being born in America wasn't a voluntary action so through that alone this whole idea of everybody being peaceful and neutral human beings with equal opportunities and safety is nonsense. You can voluntarily leave the country if you don't like the laws which have been democratically chosen by the people, peacefully. Libertarians want to remove freedoms by not allowing people to vote for their own protections and oversights. They don't want people to decide to outlaw or ban lets say dumping waste in a river, they want those people to make a massive ad campaign so that maybe it'll hurt their pockets and the market will punish them. It's really a foolish assertion.

"democratically chosen by the people" Oh my.

You couldn't be more wrong. What is being called for is full liability and accountability and freedom(of peaceful people) from coercion and force.
^but that's end game. Right now I'd like to see those things you feel "need" to be done by the federal govt., taken care of at the state/county level... or simply as close to those with an actual stake in the issue as possible.
An end to the surveillance state.
An end to the warfare state.
An end to the war on drugs
An end to the coddling of Israel
An end to the droning of Arab nations
An end to American Imperialism... or at least a full commitment to it.
An end to corporatism(what is commonly referred to as capitalism on this board)
An end to the debasement of the dollar

They don't want people to decide to outlaw or ban lets say dumping waste in a river, they want those people to make a massive ad campaign so that maybe it'll hurt their pockets and the market will punish them. It's really a foolish assertion.

Liability is believed to be a better deterrent than laws, which are easily sidestepped, ignored, and/or manipulated by those in power. if a greedy capitalist stood to lose every dime of his in court over waste dumping, its going to occur less than if it was simply outlawed and resulted in a case against his company.



But none of this matters. At the very least we can agree there needs to be a balance, and with both the GoP and Dems marching hand in hand, libertarians are going to become a bigger and bigger factor.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Reducing libertarianism down to one person makes it easier to attack and I respect that move, but its fallacious.
Bigoted legislatures exist in all parties, and I think attacking any party for it is silly, and indicative of a weak hand

You're right, I should have added in Pinochet

 

[Dada]

How would you really know? I've run into some but wish there were more.

 

[tmonster]

y'all
this thread is gonna be nothing more than


by

 

[Robbie3000]

Combating the tribalism on the left is a daunting task, to say the least.

Because the best known Libertarians are not really Libertarians. They are State Rights advocates and we all know the history of State Rights.

 

[Gains]

The government is NOT your friend. .

neither are you corporate shills

 

[DEAD7]

Because the best known Libertarians are not really Libertarians. They are State Rights advocates and we all know the history of State Rights.

 

[DEAD7]

neither are you corporate shills

Agreed.

 

[Gains]

Agreed.

you middle men best watch yourselves