Why aren't women advocating to change the Divorce and Child Support laws?

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The law must be updated to reflect what actually happens in families nowadays.

Gone are the days where the woman is the primary caregiver. Splitting custody or even giving full custody to the father must be considered more often.

Divorce is a tricky topic. People get fukked over because they don't realise marriage is a contract.

If you entered into a business relationship with someone to supply them components needed to make in demand products, you couldn't just renege on that agreement without consequences. You could be liable to compensate them for their future earnings.

Alimony sounds fukked because there is a lot of emotions involved. When you take the emotions out of it, you are left with unwritten agreements. If someone marries a billionaire, there is an understanding that she will retain a certain lifestyle until death parts them.

The law does need to get updated still. Make it clear that the terms of pre-nup will be honoured. Remove the durress from the table once one party has sought independent legal advice.

In fact, make it law for both parties to seek independent legal advice before drafting their marriage contract.

Child support, I really have no problem with someone being worked like a mule to provide for kids they played a role bringing into the world. Who else should be responsible? Strap it up and be responsible, or live off ramen noodles and Red Bulls.


Why? 9times outta 10 she didn’t help in anyway to gain that fortune. Why can’t women take their butts back to where they came? If it’s equal rights and gender is a construct, why can’t the women hussle to a billi or even multimilli? What was her sorry butt doing that she didn’t build a small fortune to maintain the lifestyle? That’s how u know that equal shyt is just bull shyt.
 

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I lost a brother to suicide to this shyt
He went over seas, his wife cheated got pregnant and he filed for divorce. The courts and uncle sugar said he was financially responsible because they were married. He went on another tour, came back to an empty house, bank account, took his vehicles and destroyed the house so he was liable. He hung himself 2 days later. So don't give me bs about it's all on the men


Ik a couple too.

The amount of money she got off with


:francis:


:wow:
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Why? 9times outta 10 she didn’t help in anyway to gain that fortune. Why can’t women take their butts back to where they came? If it’s equal rights and gender is a construct, why can’t the women hussle to a billi or even multimilli? What was her sorry butt doing that she didn’t build a small fortune to maintain the lifestyle? That’s how u know that equal shyt is just bull shyt.

The point went over your head. I will make it again.

You enter into an agreement to purchase components from someone. It is understood that you will use those components to produce goods that you will sell to a consumer.

If the person just decides to stop providing you with the components needed to produce your goods half way into the contract, what do you think the solution would be? Claiming damages on the amount paid, or claiming damages that includes loss of future earnings?

It is difficult to look at marriage in this matter because people get emotional. They start looking at in terms of what they think the other person deserves.

The law is not interested in that shyt. It is interested in agreement and the expectations. When people get.. just thought of a brilliant idea... married, they do so on the understanding that death will part them. With that understanding comes an expectation that their vows will come with surety of a certain lifestyle.

Now on to my great idea. It would be good if marriages were handled like leases with the option to extend once the term has expired. That would remove certain presumptions. Of course, the simplest solution is specifying what should happen when the contract is terminated.

It would amaze me that people don't understand the implications of breaking a complex and largely unwritten contract, but as I said people get emotional.
 

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A staggering 2.5 million children are now homeless each year in America. This historic high represents one in every 30 children in the United States.​
National Center on Family Homelessness.
wow. So much for this notion that the father is always the one to get screwed taking care of children smh
Lemme ask you something, if the father isn't in the home, whose responsibility is it to take care of the child IN THAT HOME. If the father is a deadbeat that doesn't excuse the mother from providing.
 
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Lemme ask you something, if the father isn't in the home, whose responsibility is it to take care of the child IN THAT HOME. If the father is a deadbeat that doesn't excuse the mother from providing.

it's both their responsibility.
sometimes it will be the woman moving into a homeless shelter because she cant make ends meet. sometimes it will be the father sleeping in the car because he cant make ends meet. unless you deny this then this is a moot argument.

you want it to be one way but it goes both ways
 

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The point went over your head. I will make it again.

You enter into an agreement to purchase components from someone. It is understood that you will use those components to produce goods that you will sell to a consumer.

If the person just decides to stop providing you with the components needed to produce your goods half way into the contract, what do you think the solution would be? Claiming damages on the amount paid, or claiming damages that includes loss of future earnings?

It is difficult to look at marriage in this matter because people get emotional. They start looking at in terms of what they think the other person deserves.

The law is not interested in that shyt. It is interested in agreement and the expectations. When people get.. just thought of a brilliant idea... married, they do so on the understanding that death will part them. With that understanding comes an expectation that their vows will come with surety of a certain lifestyle.

Now on to my great idea. It would be good if marriages were handled like leases with the option to extend once the term has expired. That would remove certain presumptions. Of course, the simplest solution is specifying what should happen when the contract is terminated.

It would amaze me that people don't understand the implications of breaking a complex and largely unwritten contract, but as I said people get emotional.

The law is bullshyt meant to destroy and discourage the nuclear family. Truth be told, once married there should be no divorce unless extreme circumstances can be proven. No wonder this society is crumbling rapidly. And I do understand your point, but doesn’t change. She’s not entitled to that lifestyle.
 

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I'm not up on the laws completely but in Ohio at one point you could just put your children on your health insurance and that would be the equivalent of child support. I knew a few brehs that did that and eventually got joint custody and other court ordered arrangements. :yeshrug:

I would go that route if I had a kid with a bum, I ain't about to give someone a blank check every month, I'd be trying to get full custody any way:hhh:
 

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Child support started in 1975 by president Ford and hasn't been reformed since:martin:
It got a HUGE BOOST from Luther Campbell, Luke Records, and his buddy Janet Reno


The new remixed version was not supported by, thought of by, or even understood by "normal" black women.
Janet Reno got the whole revamp idea from PORK N BEANS HOUSING PROJECT RESIDENTS.
It sounds like she was trying to indirectly collect stray dope money, there was no legit income to be collected.
Luke's support then bit him on the ass.
 

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The same reason why white folk collectively, aren’t trying to dismantle white supremacy. :mjpls:
 

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What are the specific laws people want to change?

How much child support do blk women get on average?

Why should anyone be excused from taking care of the babies they create irresponsibly or otherwise?

I advocate for more male birth control options. What exact changes should be made and what are the justifications?

I just need more context b/c I have single mothers struggling with children from ex-HUSBANDS (so they aren’t “buss downs”) who won’t contribute anything to their children b/c they want to punsidh their wives for leaving them even though they were the ones who cheated.


So I need perspective. Because certainly I hope you aren’t advocating that true legit deadbeats be bereft of accountability…:patrice:
Preach up in here!
 

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Lol I’m sure the women on here get heated when I state certain obvious truths that give away their secrets.

1. any woman who never genuinely offers to pay for anything y’all do together is a taker. Yes, she’ll take u for child support.
2. If ur woman makes way less than u , yes she will take u for all u got.
3. She doesn’t like to cook or do anything that requires serious effort on her own volition? Yes, she evil.
4. Has no college degree or no business she owns? Has no motivation to do something worthwhile with her time. Yup, stay away.

there are signs women give off, especially the rotten ones. U need to take heed.
All of these are facts, my dear, sir!
 

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As far as child support, I feel like there should be a yearly audit, so that statements are shown as to how much money is actually spent on the kid and the rest goes into a trust for the kid. For example, if a man is paying 20,000 a month in child support and the actual monthly expenses are only 10,000, the rest needs to be put in the trust for the child. That way, it’s still going according to the Dad income, but the child doesn’t lose out and the mom doesn’t get to splurge off on money that is for the child. obviously I use a big number just for the purpose of making the thread and I know that most people are not paying $20,000 a month in child support.
 

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Lol I’m sure the women on here get heated when I state certain obvious truths that give away their secrets.

1. any woman who never genuinely offers to pay for anything y’all do together is a taker. Yes, she’ll take u for child support.
2. If ur woman makes way less than u , yes she will take u for all u got.
3. She doesn’t like to cook or do anything that requires serious effort on her own volition? Yes, she evil.
4. Has no college degree or no business she owns? Has no motivation to do something worthwhile with her time. Yup, stay away.

there are signs women give off, especially the rotten ones. U need to take heed.


Truest shyt ever post.

Also add.
females always angle'n to be damsels.
Bush any and all females trying to damsels.


Art Barr
 

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The point went over your head. I will make it again.

You enter into an agreement to purchase components from someone. It is understood that you will use those components to produce goods that you will sell to a consumer.

If the person just decides to stop providing you with the components needed to produce your goods half way into the contract, what do you think the solution would be? Claiming damages on the amount paid, or claiming damages that includes loss of future earnings?

It is difficult to look at marriage in this matter because people get emotional. They start looking at in terms of what they think the other person deserves.

The law is not interested in that shyt. It is interested in agreement and the expectations. When people get.. just thought of a brilliant idea... married, they do so on the understanding that death will part them. With that understanding comes an expectation that their vows will come with surety of a certain lifestyle.

Now on to my great idea. It would be good if marriages were handled like leases with the option to extend once the term has expired. That would remove certain presumptions. Of course, the simplest solution is specifying what should happen when the contract is terminated.

It would amaze me that people don't understand the implications of breaking a complex and largely unwritten contract, but as I said people get emotional.

:ohhh:

I know this is an old post, but I really like how you likened marriage to a business contract. These are terms I can understand.

That said, here is something which is still unclear to me:

So, for example, say the husband is wealthy and enters into a marriage contract with a woman who is not.

If I understand your example correctly, the understanding between the two is the husband is "purchasing" components from his wife. Let's say he is purchasing her "wifely support" in terms of her being a loving partner, keeping her appearance up, rearing the children, maintaining the home, etc. By doing all of these things, the wife is provided a direct value to the husband, which enables him to be a more effective producer in whatever he makes to continue building his wealth. So, in short, the man is pouring financial resources into the woman, and, in turn, she is returning him with support which enables him to be a greater wealth-building machine.

Thus, if he initiates divorce, the argument for "damages" the wife can seek is that she has been cut off from the access she needs to provide all the things I listed under wifely support. The question would be, though, if she is no longer a direct value to the husband, why would she still be entitled to those resources? He used the "components" he "purchased" from her to make it easier for him to build wealth; she never directly did though. Perhaps he determined the quality of what she was producing was in decline or he just had no further use of it. The loss for "future earnings", then, would be one he incurs, not her, as what she was producing was exclusively for one market (her husband).

The only thing I can see which overrides all of this is that the contract is "til death do us part" (if they used the traditional vows during their ceremony); by saying this at a ceremony, in front of witnesses, said husband and wife orally binding themselves to a lifelong business agreement no matter what happens in the marriage. In this case, it shows this entire business deal is being interpreted thru this lens and, as such, maybe there is no way for the husband to dissolve it without having to pay anything.

Did I interpret your explanation correctly?
 
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