Why Black People Are At The Bottom?

[Blackking]

Or through them.


Many of the "barriers" are greatly exaggerated, and/or self imposed by the black community.

I don't want to throw Obama out there as an end all example, but lets keep it 100 for a sec...We got a negro in the White House leading the free world

We don't have nikka in the white house.. they have a nikka in the white house. I hope you know what I mean.

but anyway, barriers are not "greatly" exaggerated. Most of the nation don't believe they exist. The ones that black people have to face ... are just added ones- in addition to the economic barriers that come along with not being middle or upperclass (which most of us aren't). Then America has a fukked up racial history that is just now starting to calm down.

Most importantly, you're right about the self imposed part. But you need to over understand that this continued self imposition was also part of the plan. The most effective part of the plan. And the hardest part to break.

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

We don't practice group economics.

 

[DEAD7]

We don't have nikka in the white house.. they have a nikka in the white house. I hope you know what I mean.

Sure, my point is his color wasn't a big enough "barrier" to keep him from sitting in the most powerful chair in the world.

his performance, is another story altogether.

 

[RAX 010]

I disagree

 

[DEAD7]

the main problem with blaming racism is that people confuse ending racism with having an actual economic plan and you end up with places like detroit or south africa where black people control government and black people still end up in the bottom

 

[Blackking]

co-sign, its kinda what i was saying about libertarians, i dont agree with them on everything, but that way they formulate the issue is superior to the way its usually formulated

the problem is not racism, which is essentially people of different races not liking each other, the issue is the violation of individual rights and economic rights

the main problem with blaming racism is that people confuse ending racism with having an actual economic plan and you end up with places like detroit or south africa where black people control government and black people still end up in the bottom

I agree with most of this. Especially for SouthAfrica.
But Detroit is within a western paradigm of historical racism. Black people are on the bottom in Detroit because a crushed economy and the fact that others work and use the city but have mostly paid taxes to the subs. Plus corrupt leadership. Corruption isn't a strictly black problem... but that has a lot to do with why black controlled urban areas fail. The fall of Manufacturing industries also has more to do with the situation than blaming racism. Detroit's not really a blame the white man type of place in comparison to other areas..... we usually blame who ever is fukking us black and white.. and it's mostly been blacks lead by whites.

But we can say it's the act of discrimination in the economy or simply "discrimination that we need to be focused on" .... and not to blame racism. But the Discrimination we are speaking of isn't detached from racism.

Either way... like I said cac gone cac.... the goal isn't to pretend like that shyt isn't meant to hinder us. The goal should be to work around that and put all focus on our communities development.

 

[theworldismine13]

I agree with most of this. Especially for SouthAfrica.
But Detroit is within a western paradigm of historical racism. Black people are on the bottom in Detroit because a crushed economy and the fact that others work and use the city but have mostly paid taxes to the subs. Plus corrupt leadership. Corruption isn't a strictly black problem... but that has a lot to do with why black controlled urban areas fail. The fall of Manufacturing industries also has more to do with the situation than blaming racism. Detroit's not really a blame the white man type of place in comparison to other areas..... we usually blame who ever is fukking us black and white.. and it's mostly been blacks lead by whites.

But we can say it's the act of discrimination in the economy or simply "discrimination that we need to be focused on" .... and not to blame racism. But the Discrimination we are speaking of isn't detached from racism.

Either way... like I said cac gone cac.... the goal isn't to pretend like that shyt isn't meant to hinder us. The goal should be to work around that and put all focus on our communities development.

well detroit is definitely a victim of the decline in manufacturing but that just makes the case that it isnt racism that is really going on but economics, detroit hasnt adapted to new industries

at the end of the day black people control detroit so its on black people's shoulder to bring it back

im not saying racism isnt involved in detroit, it obviously is, but fundamentally the key to bringing detroit back isnt fighting racism, the key is expanding individual and economic rights and education, that is the formula for any city to prosper

 

[JasonSJackson]

simple

because we know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

 

[Blackking]

well detroit is definitely a victim of the decline in manufacturing but that just makes the case that it isnt racism that is really going on but economics, detroit hasnt adapted to new industries

at the end of the day black people control detroit so its on black people's shoulder to bring it back

im not saying racism isnt involved in detroit, it obviously is, but fundamentally the key to bringing detroit back isnt fighting racism, the key is expanding individual and economic rights and education, that is the formula for any city to prosper

Well..... drug wars, brainwashing, prison industrial complex, trickle down fake capitalism, family breakdown, and mental stereotypes affect you more when your concentrated in a dense area due to racism and have to live in a racist society at the bottom of that society initially.

It's not like black people Originally said lets live in the hood... we ended up with our only options at the time - and though we made progress since then, we can't expect the masses to suddenly be successful through the barriers.


And you should at least know that just because a person is sitting in a seat, doesn't mean that they control that political seat. There are no areas in the US that blacks control. We used to have areas like that decades ago and they have clearly demonstrated what happens to our communities that try that shyt.

And fyi, Detroit is adapting now. Hence the white flight back to detroit. I would bring up gentrification, but I'm sure you see nothing wrong about that either.

 

[theworldismine13]

Well..... drug wars, brainwashing, prison industrial complex, trickle down fake capitalism, family breakdown, and mental stereotypes affect you more when your concentrated in a dense area due to racism and have to live in a racist society at the bottom of that society initially.

It's not like black people Originally said lets live in the hood... we ended up with our only options at the time - and though we made progress since then, we can't expect the masses to suddenly be successful through the barriers.


And you should at least know that just because a person is sitting in a seat, doesn't mean that they control that political seat. There are no areas in the US that blacks control. We used to have areas like that decades ago and they have clearly demonstrated what happens to our communities that try that shyt.

And fyi, Detroit is adapting now. Hence the white flight back to detroit. I would bring up gentrification, but I'm sure you see nothing wrong about that either.

well like i said, the solution isnt to "fight racism" the solution is to expand individual rights, expand economic rights (business, property ownership and business) and education

the other side is also about culture and branding, that is why i think the notion to yo push that it doesnt matter what people call themselves is silly

and also i hate it when people talk about "dense inner city areas" like if its a bad thing, densely populated black areas are an economic bonanza to people that have the proper vision, if you look at your city and you see "densely packed black areas" i would suggest that you yourself are brainwashed

the white flight back to detroit and the emergency manager is just a sign of the failure of black people to transform detroit into a black mecca, i dont consider it a good thing but i consider it a lesson of how NOT to run a city and i disagree that black do not control detroit, black people firmly controlled detroit, they/we just failed because we did not have a real economic strategy, a lot of the black leadership consider fighting racism and civil rights to be an economic strategy, that is why the black leadership failed

 

[Blackking]

well like i said, the solution isnt to "fight racism" the solution is to expand individual rights, expand economic rights (business, property ownership and business) and education

the other side is also about culture and branding, that is why i think the notion to yo push that it doesnt matter what people call themselves is silly

and also i hate it when people talk about "dense inner city areas" like if its a bad thing, densely populated black areas are an economic bonanza to people that have the proper vision, if you look at your city and you see "densely packed black areas" i would suggest that you yourself are brainwashed

the white flight back to detroit and the emergency manager is just a sign of the failure of black people to transform detroit into a black mecca, i dont consider it a good thing but i consider it a lesson of how NOT to run a city and i disagree that black do not control detroit, black people firmly controlled detroit, they/we just failed because we did not have a real economic strategy, a lot of the black leadership consider fighting racism and civil rights to be an economic strategy, that is why the black leadership failed

On about 3 threads I made the point that the white flight back is the worst of all things.

And I don't look at dense areas as negative.. I look at areas that are only dense due to racism as negative.. because those same forces are also responsible for limited vision. Realistically you should look at how these ghettos are formed. No culture or group on Earth pushed out of the ghetto or bottom and were successful... at least not without mass violence. We can do it with proper focus.. but no focus should be taken off the original situation and history. We forget about all that shyt.. (which we constantly do) we will repeat it (which we constantly do).

if we say economic control and ownership = control. We can say that blacks don't control shyt. I'm not sure if you understand the politics of places like Detroit and Chicago... grimy as fukk gov.

And black people have never controlled any area that wasn't destroyed and burned by whites. In Modern times that hasn't happen, but we still haven't controlled any city. Detroit is the closest thing we have ever had to control. But we still didn't control it. And yea every black person loves to hate on Detroit and Detroit's leadership.. But Detroit is the reason y there is even a concept of a black middle class in America. Economic is the reason why the entire city got crushed- but the Term is called social-economic for a reason... all of the other things I've previously mentioned have played a huge role in the self perpetuation of destructive situations.

And FYI.. the failed black leadership that you're talking about all think like you. The first focus is always on the urban culture, and music of the youth. Second, third is some other bullshyt. Then finally they get down to economics... and they also pretend like we randomly decided as a people to get into these fukk situations. Realistically we haven't completely 'failed' if you truly considered the history. So many black people from Detroit go off to graduate school and do great things (the problem is most of them go off to other places and never come back). Well, at least them listening to ignorant rap music didn't hold them back. D.Tucker. I can't believe u mentioned that bytch yesterday.

 

[theworldismine13]

On about 3 threads I made the point that the white flight back is the worst of all things.

i didnt say anything either way about white people moving into detroit, im just saying it and the emergency manager are a sign of the failure of the black leadership of detroit

And I don't look at dense areas as negative.. I look at areas that are only dense due to racism as negative.. because those same forces are also responsible for limited vision. Realistically you should look at how these ghettos are formed. No culture or group on Earth pushed out of the ghetto or bottom and were successful... at least not without mass violence. We can do it with proper focus.. but no focus should be taken off the original situation and history. We forget about all that shyt.. (which we constantly do) we will repeat it (which we constantly do).

i think having densely pack urban areas full of black people is a good thing and an economic opportunity, they represent an opportunity to create black wall streets, thats all im saying, i dont know what you mean about forgetting history, how am i forgetting history?

if we say economic control and ownership = control. We can say that blacks don't control shyt. I'm not sure if you understand the politics of places like Detroit and Chicago... grimy as fukk gov.

black people controlled the politics of detroit

and what i am saying there was no economic plan by the black leaders, the "economic plan" was to end segregation and racism and fight for civil rights and my point is that those things arent economic plans and that is why the black leadership failed

And black people have never controlled any area that wasn't destroyed and burned by whites. In Modern times that hasn't happen, but we still haven't controlled any city. Detroit is the closest thing we have ever had to control. But we still didn't control it. And yea every black person loves to hate on Detroit and Detroit's leadership.. But Detroit is the reason y there is even a concept of a black middle class in America. Economic is the reason why the entire city got crushed- but the Term is called social-economic for a reason... all of the other things I've previously mentioned have played a huge role in the self perpetuation of destructive situations.

there are a lot of cities that are controlled by black people not just here but all over the world

but honestly im not sure what it is you are saying in the rest of this post, and i dont know what it is you think im saying

im all for fighting for social issues, but by my studies and analysis ive come to the conclusion that dealing with social issues is not an economic plan and in black politics and with most black leaders dealing with social issues IS the economic plan and that is a problem IMO

And FYI.. the failed black leadership that you're talking about all think like you. The first focus is always on the urban culture, and music of the youth. Second, third is some other bullshyt. Then finally they get down to economics... and they also pretend like we randomly decided as a people to get into these fukk situations. Realistically we haven't completely 'failed' if you truly considered the history. So many black people from Detroit go off to graduate school and do great things (the problem is most of them go off to other places and never come back). Well, at least them listening to ignorant rap music didn't hold them back. D.Tucker. I can't believe u mentioned that bytch yesterday.

hmm i think you are confused about what i am saying, ill save you the trouble of putting words in my mouth

first of all im a capitalist, i believe that milton friedman has laid the economic blueprint for black people

and following from that i think basis of prosperity is individual rights, economic rights and education and of course you need some kind of economic plan or focus for a particular community

those three things i mentioned dont come from an outside force those things come from the inside of a community, in other words the culture, so that is why culture is important, culture is what determines the future of any community or nation

most black leaders focus on civil rights and social programs and that is what i am criticizing them for, so i dont think i sound like them

as for as rap music, yeah i cosign delores tucker simply because rap music is garbage and is controlled by whites and its made for the entertainment of whites, i dont see how its in the interest of black people

the word nikka came from southern whites, rap music is controlled by whites and islam is an arab religion that enslaved million of blacks

my question is why do you hold on so tightly to these things and try to make them a litmus test for blackness? you seem so convinced that there is a deliberate plan to oppress black people, did it ever cross your mind that the word nikka, corporate rap music and the arab religion called islam are part of your oppression?

 

[Blackking]

i didnt say anything either way about white people moving into detroit, im just saying it and the emergency manager are a sign of the failure of the black leadership of detroit

i think having densely pack urban areas full of black people is a good thing and an economic opportunity, they represent an opportunity to create black wall streets, thats all im saying, i dont know what you mean about forgetting history, how am i forgetting history?

black people controlled the politics of detroit

and what i am saying there was no economic plan by the black leaders, the "economic plan" was to end segregation and racism and fight for civil rights and my point is that those things arent economic plans and that is why the black leadership failed

there are a lot of cities that are controlled by black people not just here but all over the world

but honestly im not sure what it is you are saying in the rest of this post, and i dont know what it is you think im saying

Black people don't control any area of America... and we aren't talking about black control regions of the rest of the world... because someone like you would ignore colonialism.

Plus, I feel u 100% about economic plans... I just know for a fact, because of history... but also because of REal observations. Whats the point of plans coming from people who have zero chance of motivating. y do you think MLK presented himself the way he did through the church... his best chance of motivating these nikkas. You don't have to be hood... but at the very least you should know how to reach the youth.. The content of some rap music, is a symptom.. not the cause of the issue.

im all for fighting for social issues, but by my studies and analysis ive come to the conclusion that dealing with social issues is not an economic plan and in black politics and with most black leaders dealing with social issues IS the economic plan and that is a problem IMO

hmm i think you are confused about what i am saying, ill save you the trouble of putting words in my mouth

first of all im a capitalist, i believe that milton friedman has laid the economic blueprint for black people

and following from that i think basis of prosperity is individual rights, economic rights and education and of course you need some kind of economic plan or focus for a particular community

I say fight for both. Social-economic. Following a capitalist blueprint isn't a solution for blacks... we need to work within that framework because that's what our option is... but there are some socialist viewpoints that any community on the bottom needs to embrace. You must not know anything about the Jewish community.

those three things i mentioned dont come from an outside force those things come from the inside of a community, in other words the culture, so that is why culture is important, culture is what determines the future of any community or nation

So what about African culture warranted 500 years of oppression and slavery? gtfoh. There are internal and external forces... we need to be aware of our own flaws but also be aware of other peoples motivations. These ghettos were created. Racial gentrification happens in 1970- 2013 on purpose. Racism exist and history plays a part in our mentality. Know all this can help change the mentality. You must not realize that the majority of blacks know nothing about any of these factors-- that's y black elitist like yourself... feel like knowing about this race history shyt isn't important. The masses of us are starting at a mental point that is below where we would think they should be.

most black leaders focus on civil rights and social programs and that is what i am criticizing them for, so i dont think i sound like them

You do sound like a Capitalist version of them.. Both methods are ineffective. You just simply aren't speaking on social programs.

as for as rap music, yeah i cosign delores tucker simply because rap music is garbage and is controlled by whites and its made for the entertainment of whites, i dont see how its in the interest of black people

the word nikka came from southern whites, rap music is controlled by whites and islam is an arab religion that enslaved million of blacks

my question is why do you hold on so tightly to these things and try to make them a litmus test for blackness? you seem so convinced that there is a deliberate plan to oppress black people, did it ever cross your mind that the word nikka, corporate rap music and the arab religion called islam are part of your oppression?

I think attract on urban culture is misguided. Islam, or anything else you've mention isn't holding black american back. Tell that to all the black Muslims who were the main ones trying to get blacks to own property and business and who were on the forefront of changing our ignorant mentalities.


I havent made anything a litmus test for blackness... your going off on the deep end with that point. I'm not the one dividing our communities and making black youth feel isolated. Cultural isolation isn't going to motivate black youth.. and disgusted as you may be with the culture... anyone that acts and thinks like you will be the least effective in changing the most important segment of our society.

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

Because we have an entire country (Uganda) doing this shyt

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Well teach me how our concept of racism is a bit off...

So since a brown skin man was selected to occupy the position of potus...all is well...no discrimination and we are no longer public enemy number 1?


Wish Trayvon martin and countless other brown skin humanoids who have been victims of police brutality and racial profiling had got that memo....

Now do you really refer to blacks as Negros in 2013???

in all fairness, he's sorta right. black people put an invisible barrier on themselves. why do a lot of black children think they're only way out the hood is rapping or sports, and not studying? which is almost a for chance of getting out. you study hard, get to college and graduate top of your class, no one can deny you, esp with affirmative action in place....yet we dont even use our affirmative action laws. its crazy. white women and asians are the number 1 users of AA.

I personally breezed through the largest medical insurance company in america, on just a H.S diploma, cleaning up my act, coming in on time and busting my ass and learning how to move politically. I started off as a customer service rep, ended up becoming an outsource trainer, traveling around the world...all within 3-4 years.

you know whats funny? initially I got hated on by some black people that had been there for yrs and were much older, they were saying I was a 'safe negro', they mistakened dressing in a suit and tie and talking to VPs and being a sell out wtf lol. well guess what, safe negro moved to north hollywood, and bought a z28 camaro on 19s, and just vacationed in venezuela, you been there 10 yrs, I been there 4 and doubled your salary. but then something happened...ghetto ass bytches that used to be loud in the cafeteria, started dressing professionally, working over time, and making moves, befriending important cacs just like I did. I even had one lady specifically tell me I was her motivation.

I would train new hires, and black people would be the primary people surprised when a 24 year old me would walk in with a suit and tie. it was crazy. I had young brothas asking me "how I did it", and that "they wanted to follow my footsteps" and you know what? I would lay a blue print on how I did. I always shared my knowledge with young black men. now, im not saying there's no discrimination, I saw some, but it's exaggerated for sure bruh. I always moved professionally as if 'these barriers' didn't exist, and I was able to go to college and become professional without any real barriers. I have a clean record, and just did what I had to do. I did everything by the book, just like a suburban kid would, and it worked.

Sorry to stereotype but a lot of black peoples work ethics are horrible, coming in late, being loud at the job, taking longer breaks, I should know, I had to train black people, and even fire a few (its either them or me, fukk that you aint fukking up my paper, corporate is a shark tank learn quick or drown)

Some of the things I heard as a trainer saddened me. It's almost like we're in our own mental prison. Older black women I trained would ask me things like "do you date black women?", "you got any kids"..mind you I'm only 24-25 at the time. and they were shocked when I said, yes I date black women and no I aint got no kids. look at the kind of inferiority complex we have. we expect ourselves to be bottom feeders.

Even today, I live abroad and people still ask me crazy things like "how are you treated as a black man?", "do them females fukk with nikkas?" "tf you doing abroad". I never once asked myself these questions. I always thought to myself, I'm Tommy, course these people are going to fukk with me. I'm articulate, intelligent, witty, funny. I'm me, and I'm fukking brilliant. how in the world am I going to think my skin color is going to give me an unfair advantage? I haven't been denied anything because the color of my skin and the majority of you nikkas havent either. (if at all you even tried).

We as a community lack confidence, and it's saddening. Just look at the thread title.

Nobody caught it, but a few pages ago, I wrote one simple line. "I'm not at the bottom of any list"

and that should be the entire communities mentality. if every indiv thought that way, collectively it would come together that way.

lets not even get into how nikkas dont want to follow their path because of how their image or blackness might come across. a black kid in the hood thats 15 could go up to the class and say he wants to be an astronaut and nikkas would prolly clown him. yet we have over a dozen astronauts that work for NASA right now. *sigh* that one black kid that turns in all his homework, is going to be called a lame, corny, but then when he makes it, and is an engineer, nikkas want to be like "black excellence" . if only more black people saw corny nerds as black excellence before they obtain their profession, celebrate it prior, and encourage black children to be nerds