Why can't Left wing Black people have honest conversations about Abortion?

[Voice of Reason]

Yes, you are killing a "fetus" that would have eventually been a baby.

Yes, 20 plus million Black fetuses have been aborted.

Yes, that has curtailed the Black population.

Yes, Black people are aborting at a higher rate.


Having said all of that I still don't think abortion should be banned.


Let's just have an honest conversation.

 

[BaltimoreTwilightMarauder]

Its easier to skip the nuance of the topic and simply label everyone against it as women haters. Admitting that its not that simple would severely hurt messaging.

Its not really in either sides interest to be honest about the issue.

 

[Diunx]

My sperm could be babies and yet I'm jerking off right now.

 

[Voice of Reason]

My sperm could be babies and yet I'm jerking off right now.

Argument like this take away from your argument and make you look silly.

 

[Roger king]

I reject the premise that its about sanctity of human life, if that was the case this folks will be ardently against the death penalty which multiple studies have shown have sent innocent folks to be executed as punishment, one innocent life lost alone for a crime not committed as a disgrace.
Its about control. The moment this kids are born same conservatives want to cut welfare programs, school lunch programs, defund schools, they want to make it harder to receiver social benefits, they basically turn the child destitute or a high degree of being because the will be in poverty.

 

[Diunx]

Argument like this take away from your argument and make you look silly.

Why?

 

[Voice of Reason]

Why?

A sperm is not the same as a fetus.

 

[At30wecashout]

Its easier to skip the nuance of the topic and simply label everyone against it as women haters. Admitting that its not that simple would severely hurt messaging.

Nah, B. What nuance? The biggest defenders of banning abortion have flimsy arguments centering around moral and/or religious reasoning. They typically ignore the medical reasons abortions exist as well as the fact that individuals have individual reasons to pursue one.

"Being able to kill babies is not a human right" is literally an argument that ignores the different stages of "life" where that fetus lacks what eventually makes it a baby, ignores that stillbirths are prevalent at a rate of 1 in 160 conceived children, 10-15 in 100 pregnancies end in miscarraige, and many of these situations require abortion. Not to mention if birthing a child for whatever reason threatens the life of the mother, you can save her at the expense of a child that may or may not be viable.

The REAL problem with nuance is nobody wants to hear all the reasons they should mind their goddamn business and save all the judging for their situations alone and let others deal with theirs as they have to.

 

[The_Truth]

I reject the premise that its about sanctity of human life, if that was the case this folks will be ardently against the death penalty which multiple studies have shown have sent innocent folks to be executed as punishment, one innocent life lost alone for a crime not committed as a disgrace.
Its about control. The moment this kids are born same conservatives want to cut welfare programs, school lunch programs, defund schools, they want to make it harder to receiver social benefits, they basically turn the child destitute or a high degree of being because the will be in poverty.

End thread.

 

[At30wecashout]

A sperm is not the same as a fetus.

My sperm could be babies and yet I'm jerking off right now.

@Voice of Reason just so you know, folks literally say "The next baby can cure cancer" without batting an eye as a reason banning abortion is good. It is just as dumb an argument so if they can make that, spilled sperm in a tissue is just as valid.

 

[Diunx]

A sperm is not the same as a fetus.

It is for some religions, who are you to decide what is or isn't a potential person?

 

[Voice of Reason]

I reject the premise that its about sanctity of human life, if that was the case this folks will be ardently against the death penalty which multiple studies have shown have sent innocent folks to be executed as punishment, one innocent life lost alone for a crime not committed as a disgrace.
Its about control. The moment this kids are born same conservatives want to cut welfare programs, school lunch programs, defund schools, they want to make it harder to receiver social benefits, they basically turn the child destitute or a high degree of being because the will be in poverty.

I agree conservatives are hypocrites for not supporting social safety nets. However, one thinking abortion is wrong can be operate from the issues that you stated.

 

[BaltimoreTwilightMarauder]

I reject the premise that its about sanctity of human life, if that was the case this folks will be ardently against the death penalty which multiple studies have shown have sent innocent folks to be executed as punishment, one innocent life lost alone for a crime not committed as a disgrace.
Its about control. The moment this kids are born same conservatives want to cut welfare programs, school lunch programs, defund schools, they want to make it harder to receiver social benefits, they basically turn the child destitute or a high degree of being because the will be in poverty.

So what do you say to people who are against abortion, the death penalty and support social programs for children? Is it still about control?

 

[Voice of Reason]

@Voice of Reason just so you know, folks literally say "The next baby can cure cancer" without batting an eye as a reason banning abortion is good. It is just as dumb an argument so if they can make that, spilled sperm in a tissue is just as valid.

Comparing sperm and a fetus is ludicrous and non sensical. Again you all are doing a horrible job at this debate.

 

[Buddy]

I don't even get into the whole fetus thing. Over the years I've been pro choice and I guess I still am but i honestly can't tell. I'm just growing more and more concerned with what the choice means for us culturally and relationship-wise. Hookup culture relies on abortion as a final measure if necessary and we don't like to admit it but it's leading to encounters/relationships with people we wouldn't be with otherwise... Which leads to these damn gender wars and "Black men are trash" mentalities but the environment has allowed for both men and women to move on pleasure alone. And we're suffering as a result. Idk man.