Why can't the villain win?

[dexwire]

Um Walt won he had terminal cancer so he set out to make money for his family before he dies mission acomplished

 

[winb83]

Um Walt won he had terminal cancer so he set out to make money for his family before he dies mission acomplished

here's the unconditional victory ending of Breaking Bad. Walt's family is sitting at the dinner table eating and laughing Walt has all 80 some odd million and he and his family life out his final days in peace. all Walt's enemies are dead. the scene fades to backs and he isn't seen dying on camera be it from cancer or anything else.

what i'm saying is if Walt was a good guy he could have easily got that style ending but because he's a villain he can't have that because of the tension it would cause with the audience seeing a villain achieve unconditional victory.

something that ends like say the movie The Usual Suspects is very rare in media. part of the power of The Usual Suspects is how it ended.

 

[dexwire]

here's the unconditional victory ending of Breaking Bad. Walt's family is sitting at the dinner table eating and laughing Walt has all 80 some odd million and he and his family life out his final days in peace. all Walt's enemies are dead. the scene fades to backs and he isn't seen dying on camera be it from cancer or anything else.

what i'm saying is if Walt was a good guy he could have easily got that style ending but because he's a villain he can't have that because of the tension it would cause with the audience seeing a villain achieve unconditional victory.

something that ends like say the movie The Usual Suspects is very rare in media. part of the power of The Usual Suspects is how it ended.

I don't think Walt wanted that tho, in the beginning Walt didn't even want treatment he didn't want his family to see him wither away

 

[Silkk]

yeah he walked but he lost his empire and all meaning in his life. he didn't even know what to do with himself at the end. why couldn't he keep his empire and get away with it all? almost anytime a villain wins its a conditional victory but the heroes can get that unconditional victory.

nikka walked away clean with a fresh $10 mil.

His empire and what he was doing was against the law, cant just keep doing it

 

[winb83]

I don't think Walt wanted that tho, in the beginning Walt didn't even want treatment he didn't want his family to see him wither away

you don't think Walt wanted to be with the same family he went through hell to try and remain with? when he told Skylar he was out of the game. why didn't Walt just leave his family with the car wash and money and die off by himself? Walt could have walked away from his family and left them the money many a times. in fact if he had things would have went better for them. Walt Jr probably would have never found out anything. until the knife incident Walt thought he could have it all.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

here's the unconditional victory ending of Breaking Bad. Walt's family is sitting at the dinner table eating and laughing Walt has all 80 some odd million and he and his family life out his final days in peace. all Walt's enemies are dead. the scene fades to backs and he isn't seen dying on camera be it from cancer or anything else.

what i'm saying is if Walt was a good guy he could have easily got that style ending but because he's a villain he can't have that because of the tension it would cause with the audience seeing a villain achieve unconditional victory.

something that ends like say the movie The Usual Suspects is very rare in media. part of the power of The Usual Suspects is how it ended.

http://www.imdb.com/list/0eLAw8vg_cI/

 

[R=G]

Chucky just won..
Benny Blanco won
All the girls from Wild things won..all 4 movies

Jigsaw kept winning..Saw 3 was hilarious..he mind fukked that pretty cheating doctor in grand fashion
All the Boys Love Mandy Lane..she won big time
Vanessa Hudgens won in Spring Breakers

 

[HHR]

Not sure I'd accuse writers of shows like Breaking Bad, The Shield, etc of not having balls. Just using such evil people as the centerpiece of a show is ballsy. Getting the audience to care and root for evil people is ballsy.

And Tony Soprano could be alive breh.

 

[winb83]

Jigsaw kept winning..Saw 3 was hilarious..he mind fukked that pretty cheating doctor in grand fashion

Hoffman is the villain of Saw and Hoffman lost hard.

 

[Vandelay]

Writers try to tell messages.

Most people can't accept endings that don't make you feel good when your done watching it.


I think this is why the anti-hero has become popular in TV and movies as of late; people are tired of cliche endings, but it doesn't quite sit right yet when the bad guy wins.

 

[R=G]

It took like 8 movies though.

 

[jackswstd]

Cause in real life Villains always win.

 

[ThaRealness]

Why would a gang of neo nazis walking away with 70 mill ever be a good way to end a show... would you really be satisfied with that?

its unrealistic anyways... no way that lowest common denominator criminals would manage to hold onto 70 mill

 

[Dada]

I remember there being a discussion about this somewhere and they were talking about in other places (outside of America), this type of ending happens more often..than almost never, here. Watching more foreign films since then, I see that that is true. Don't get me wrong, most movies, period, still stick to that script, but I've seen a few that don't tie things up in a nice bow at the end.

I remember listening to the commentary for Seven and they had to fight tooth and nail with the studio to get the head in a box and brad losing ending...they even drew up some alternate storyboard where morgan freeman kills kevin spacey and brad threatened to walk away from the entire project unless they shot the original ending

Anyway the answer is simple...mainstream movies are made to make money and the general public does not wanna walk out a theater depressed

This is one of my all time favorite movie endings. All that smugness they were throwing at him. I feel like justice was served.

"What's in the box!!?? "

 

[TheGodling]

I think the worst offender I've ever seen is Death Note. They were so close to that ultimate "fukk you!" ending and then they went and ruined it.