Why Charity Isn't Enough

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Well you're the one who jumped into mine and another poster's conversation first to criticize my arguement against his stance, so what's your point?
Again. Quote me if it really amtters.

I wasn't challenged on it by anyone other than you. Probably because anyone who has even a basic understanding of economics, from libertarians and mainstream liberals to fascists and Maoists, understand it's meaning. I didn't retreat from talking about all property to talking about economic tools. I was talking about the economic tools the entire time. I was pointing out your, common, misunderstanding of the term.
No, you weren't. And neither were your acolytes.

Making a living under capitalism doesn't invalidate my beliefs.
Uh. Yeah. It does. :heh:

Though I mainly study for personal growth, not economic potential.
Sure you do :duck:

And government programs, anathema to died in the wool capitalists, are what enable me to attend college. The capitalistic aspect of profit seeking, the interest on the loans, is what makes it hard to attend college.
Actually, the widespread availability of loans makes it hard to attend college, not profit seeking universities.

If the worst capitalism did was forclose on people's homes, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I don't despise capitalism out of personal animus. I merely added that anecdote because I feel your constant call backs to my being a college student insinuates that I'm a privileged, limousine socialist.
And i'm glad you revealed your personal issues with foreclosure since that indicates some modicum of a lack of personal accountability in all of these anti-capitalist rants.

I've posted dozens of studies on this forum. As have several of those you mentioned. I enjoy discussion with people like @DEAD7 . You're the one I'm talking about here. You're the one who relies on anecdotes and nonsense, hence the whole WOAT thing. Which is evident here, with the condescending nonsense arguement of me being in college invalidating my stances.
Post blog posts isn't the same as white papers. Even @DEAD7 had to fact check you on outright simple statistics. Don't play this game.
Side note-very funny how you try to form some team against me here with a poster who literally told you yesterday to hop off his dikk because your co-signs make him look bad
i don't need coalitions. I'm talking abot people who challenge you on many of your talking points. i don't care if they agree with me, the point is the argumentative flaws they point out on your behalf.
 

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I don't believe in private property.

I'm not saying how he should spend his money. I'm saying he has no right to own others work. I'm saying that's not his money.

Word? Lets really see how far you go with this concept :whoo:

I find it REALLY hard to respect someone who says they don't believe in private property :wow:

I hope you're not out of college in the real world yet... :wow:

You don't even have to be in the USA...in fact, i'd rather you at least have a few passport stamps so you can get some perspective out here :wow:

@Swavy Karl Marx :why:

You understand by property I mean economic tools correct? Not your home or clothes or toothbrushes.

You should use your words more carefully then.

You said specifically you don't believe in private property...economic tools now? Word? Because if my "economic tool" is copyrighted, then what say you then?

No, you weren't. And neither were your acolytes.

Okkkk
 

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You could also argue that the way govt. provides aid, creates a sweet spot, where many people actually would be worse off entering the bottom of the job market... making the dependency more of numbers game for recipients rather than anything to do with laziness(as is often suggested). :ehh:

97% of people on govt. aid don't own nice houses or cars, take vacations or have good lives.

So there really is no "sweet spot"
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I honestly believe by the way you post that you're smarter than this.

The general conservative stance on charity is you can be a billionaire and donate a thousand dollars to prove you're not greedy.


Some charitable causes offer tax incentives ...and many foundations are just vanity vehicles for this

but the premise that being billionaire = greedy ...is messed up to begin with
 

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Some charitable causes offer tax incentives ...and many foundations are just vanity vehicles for this

but the premise that being billionaire = greedy ...is messed up to begin with

We live in a world of capitalism where money = food & resources.

So if you're a billionaire someone else gotta starve to death for you to have that opulence.
 

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We live in a world of capitalism where money = food & resources.

So if you're a billionaire someone else gotta starve to death for you to have that opulence.

It's not a zero some game...

How does your theory apply to those with only paper networth ?
 

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It's not a zero some game...

How does your theory apply to those with only paper networth ?


Let me guess you stuntin' in that cac made car so your money going to the white man who owns and manufactures Ferrari.

But everyone can be millionaires and billionaires right? Even the 5,000 kids in Africa that starve to death every day.

"Undernutrition is a contributory factor in the death of 3.1 million children under five every year".[3] Figures on actual starvation are difficult to come by, but according to the Food and Agriculture Organization, the less severe condition of undernourishment currently affects about 842 million people, or about one in eight (12.5%) people in the world population.[4]

230px-Starved_girl.jpg


Starvation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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No but the person I was speaking to did say taxation was immoral. You don't see how taxation being immoral makes using tax dollars immoral? It's the same reason they seize the assets of mob bosses' wives and took Bernie Madoff's house, stealing invalidates how you spend that money. It's all immoral, at least from a legal prospective.

When did I shift definitions? Please find me the actual post where that happened. If you would just admit that you entered an economic debate without knowing perhaps the most fundamental economic term in modern times, I wouldn't keep bringing it up. But your pathetic whining about it every time it's brought up goes to show how embarrassed you are about it. You know next to nothing about economics. This is evident in how you go from a nominal moderate of some sort to a Von Mises style liberal when discussing leftist ideals.

To discuss this again, when one doesn't believe in private property, they don't believe that the wealth one accumulated in a capitalistic system is their's. Property is theft and such. It's not a matter of telling someone what to do with their money, it's saying it's not their money.

Ok, just to lay this out for you. You don't know me. Anyone of pretty much any conceivable background could be college. You have this picture of me that you've created whole cloth out of your imagination. Like most things you say, it's wrong. I've worked for years, I work to pay for my loans now while taking 19 credit hours in a dual major. My family lost our home in the recession. Don't lecture me on capitalism's generosity. You seem to think being a college students limits my ability to criticize capitalism, despite the devastating effect neoliberalism has had on public education.

Frankly, your condescension belies your weakness in arguement. You offer no well sounded philosophy or statistical backups, you appeal to emotion through smilies and high handedness. In short, you're a clown. But we all already knew that.
Damn! :whew:
 

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Let me guess you stuntin' in that cac made car so your money going to the white man who owns and manufactures Ferrari.

But everyone can be millionaires and billionaires right? Even the 5,000 kids in Africa that starve to death every day.

"Undernutrition is a contributory factor in the death of 3.1 million children under five every year".[3] Figures on actual starvation are difficult to come by, but according to the Food and Agriculture Organization, the less severe condition of undernourishment currently affects about 842 million people, or about one in eight (12.5%) people in the world population.[4]

230px-Starved_girl.jpg


Starvation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


We aren't discussing me or what I drive.... it's a porsche btw

I never insinuated they can be billionaires/millionaires..... you did

now answer ........does your theory apply to paper billionaires ?

if so then are more people eating when they go bankrupt/owe billions ?
 

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We aren't discussing me or what I drive.... it's a porsche btw

So your money is going to the Germans not the Italians thanks for clarifying that.

Now clarify what "theory" your question was about?
 

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So your money is going to the Germans not the Italians thanks for clarifying that.

Now clarify what "theory" your question was about?


When you reveal what ethnic automobile you drive then you can talk



We live in a world of capitalism where money = food & resources.

So if you're a billionaire someone else gotta starve to death for you to have that opulence.

by this line of thinking then when billionaires go bankrupt/amass huge debt ....someone is getting fat

is that what you are saying ?
 

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Money can buy food & resources what's not to understand about that?

So if you're a billionaire think about how many people you can feed.
 
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