Why did Germans, Irish, Italians, etc get to become "White"?

[Cynic]

TheColi.com.
Irish were not accepted as being Whites.

@Cave Savage , @Kuwka_Atcha_Ratcha

The English are germanic stock. The Irish are Iberian stock. (Before a lot of modern mixing).

Hard as it is to believe today the Irish were believed to be ape-like non-whites.

"
Irish racism in Victorian Britain and 19th century United States included the stereotyping of the Irish as violent and alcoholic.[17] Some English illustrators depicted a prehistoric "ape-like image" of Irish faces to bolster evolutionary racist claims that the Irish people were an "inferior race" as compared to Anglo-Saxons.[18][19]

Similar to other immigrant populations, they were sometimes accused of cronyism and subjected to misrepresentations of their religious and cultural beliefs. Irish Catholics were particularly singled out for attack by Protestants.[18][failed verification]

In Liverpool, England, where many Irish immigrants settled following the Great Famine, anti-Irish prejudice was widespread. The sheer numbers of people coming across the Irish sea and settling in the poorer districts of the city led to physical attacks and it became common practice for those with Irish accents or even Irish names to be barred from jobs, public houses and employment opportunities.

In 1836, young Benjamin Disraeli wrote:

[The Irish] hate our order, our civilization, our enterprising industry, our pure religion. This wild, reckless, indolent, uncertain and superstitious race have no sympathy with the English character. Their ideal of human felicity is an alternation of clannish broils and coarse idolatry. Their history describes an unbroken circle of bigotry and blood.[20]
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Anti-Irish sentiment - Wikipedia

This believe it or not is the origin of assigning behaviors to groups based on phenotypes and justifying unfair treatment based on said phenotypes.

In short cacs are just carrying on ancestral tradition

 

[NoGutsNoGLory]

THE SAME REASON MEXICANS AND OTHER WHITE HISPANICS WILL BE FULLY ACCEPTED AS WHITE 20 YRS FROM NOW.

ITS A NUMBERS GAME.

ANYTIME THEY SEE THEIR POPULATION NUMBERS SHRINKING THEY BRING A NEW GROUP OF CACS INTO THE FOLD.



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They been white. Who the fukk is gonna call Cameron Diaz not white.

 

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Imma say this one more time. Germany is as white as white gets. They're in the center of fukkin Europe. King Otto and the Holy Roman Empire (GERMANY) was one of the top five empires in European history. The Irish and the Scottish are probably "whiter" than most white people since their breeding pool was constricted to people from the British Isles. There's a whole body of water between them and any other groups. Outside of the Greeks, the Italians gave the most to Western Civilization. The Roman Empire dominated the entire ancient world and after the Dark Ages it was the Italian City States that led the Renaissance. How could Italians not be white when Europe would almost not be shyt without them. The idea that Germans, Italians and Irish aren't white is dumb. Puritans moved to America in the 1700s and had a face towards any white person who wasn't a White Anglo Saxon Protestant and couldn't trace their history back to the Mayflower. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THESE WHITE ASS PEOPLE WERE NOT WHITE. That's like saying Jamaicans, Haitians and Nigerians aren't Black because #ADOS Militants have the face towards them because they come from different lands and cultures.

Because like in India, Northern Italians are seen as being more white (germanic/french-germanic) whereas the southerners are seen as being more mixed.

Yep Italy is multi-ethnic (and to some multi-racial) much in the way that India is.

Industry and wealth (and "brains, beauty, historic significance etc") are concentrated in the North of Italy.

Padania - Wikipedia
Padanian nationalism - Wikipedia

"In the 15th century Northern Italy became one of the centres of the Renaissance whose culture and works of art were highly regarded. The enterprising class of the communes extended its trade and banking activities well into northern Europe and "Lombards", the term that designated the merchants or bankers coming from northern Italy, were present in all of Europe. The Italian Wars between 1494 and 1559 ended the North Italian Renaissance and brought the region to be fought between France and the Spanish and Austrian House of Habsburg. After the war Northern Italy became under direct or indirect control of Spain. At the same time Ottoman control of the eastern Mediterranean and the discoveries of sea routes to Asia around Africa and of the Americas led to the decline of the Venetian Republic."

"There is a noticeable genetic difference between the Sardinians, the Northern Italians, and the Southern Italians. People from Northern Italy seem to be close to the French population, while those from the South overlap with Balkan and other southern European populations.[5][9][10][11] Yet, the genetic distance between Northern and Southern Italians, although pretty large for a single European nationality, is only roughly equal to the one between Northern and Southern Germans.[12] The genetic gap between the northern and southern Italians is filled by an intermediate Central Italian cluster, creating a continuous cline of variation down the peninsula and the islands (with the Sardinians as outliers in Italy and Europe) that mirrors geography.[13]"

"With the fall of the Western Roman Empire, different populations of German origin invaded Italy, the most significant being the Lombards.[19] Iapygian tribes, possibly Illyrian, populated Apulia; and later the Normans in Sicily.".
Genetic history of Italy - Wikipedia

Most of those big counter-expectational Italian brands are in the North. High fashion, Engineering, Finance etc.

I used to date a girl who came from Gaggio-Marcon in the North of Italy (when I was much younger) and her father was one of the Northern Separatists. That relationship ended on the night that I met him (and his wife).

That's why ..

I should add "White" is human-defined and mutable so that is how the membership has changed over time.

Are people in the Caucus-Stans around Russia "White"? Well that depends on who you speak to. In the USA most would qualify but Russian actually refer to them as Black. The same is true of Irish racial group membership.

Not sure why that is so hard to understand.

EDIT2:
"Peoples of the Caucasus are called black, despite the fact that of its Georgian, Dagestani, Chechen etc. population is fair-skinned while the Azeri and Armenian are darker toned; this name calling comes from their relatively darker features.[38][39] Azeris, Georgians, and Armenians from the Caucasus are called "black arses" (Chernozhopy) (черножо́пый).[40] Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the rise of the Muslim population in Russia and the Second Chechen War, many Russian radical nationalists have associated Islam and Muslims with terrorism and domestic crimes.[41]"
Racism in Russia - Wikipedia

Good for PAWGers as they will understand some aspects of racism. I know one who has moved to the USA and for her it is a shock to be seen as being White.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Irish people were easily distinguished as they were ginger, making distinction between ethnic whites easier.

Most Irish are not ginger...most Irish have pale white skin, dark hair and blue eyes

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Imma say this one more time. Germany is as white as white gets. They're in the center of fukkin Europe. King Otto and the Holy Roman Empire (GERMANY) was one of the top five empires in European history. The Irish and the Scottish are probably "whiter" than most white people since their breeding pool was constricted to people from the British Isles. There's a whole body of water between them and any other groups. Outside of the Greeks, the Italians gave the most to Western Civilization. The Roman Empire dominated the entire ancient world and after the Dark Ages it was the Italian City States that led the Renaissance. How could Italians not be white when Europe would almost not be shyt without them. The idea that Germans, Italians and Irish aren't white is dumb. Puritans moved to America in the 1700s and had a face towards any white person who wasn't a White Anglo Saxon Protestant and couldn't trace their history back to the Mayflower. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THESE WHITE ASS PEOPLE WERE NOT WHITE. That's like saying Jamaicans, Haitians and Nigerians aren't Black because #ADOS Militants have the face towards them because they come from different lands and cultures.

Dummy, we're not talking genetics.

You think we don't know where the fukk Germany is?

You think we don't know how white Irish people are?

Dummy, the thread is about when did those people become POLITICALLY White in the United States.

And the answer to that is after World War II, when America changed it's racial classification system.

Yo ass really thought you was educating some damn body

 

[Marzupial]

Because like in India, Northern Italians are seen as being more white (germanic/french-germanic) whereas the southerners are seen as being more mixed.

Yep Italy is multi-ethnic (and to some multi-racial) much in the way that India is.

Industry and wealth (and "brains, beauty, historic significance etc") are concentrated in the North of Italy.

Padania - Wikipedia
Padanian nationalism - Wikipedia

"In the 15th century Northern Italy became one of the centres of the Renaissance whose culture and works of art were highly regarded. The enterprising class of the communes extended its trade and banking activities well into northern Europe and "Lombards", the term that designated the merchants or bankers coming from northern Italy, were present in all of Europe. The Italian Wars between 1494 and 1559 ended the North Italian Renaissance and brought the region to be fought between France and the Spanish and Austrian House of Habsburg. After the war Northern Italy became under direct or indirect control of Spain. At the same time Ottoman control of the eastern Mediterranean and the discoveries of sea routes to Asia around Africa and of the Americas led to the decline of the Venetian Republic."

"There is a noticeable genetic difference between the Sardinians, the Northern Italians, and the Southern Italians. People from Northern Italy seem to be close to the French population, while those from the South overlap with Balkan and other southern European populations.[5][9][10][11] Yet, the genetic distance between Northern and Southern Italians, although pretty large for a single European nationality, is only roughly equal to the one between Northern and Southern Germans.[12] The genetic gap between the northern and southern Italians is filled by an intermediate Central Italian cluster, creating a continuous cline of variation down the peninsula and the islands (with the Sardinians as outliers in Italy and Europe) that mirrors geography.[13]"

"With the fall of the Western Roman Empire, different populations of German origin invaded Italy, the most significant being the Lombards.[19] Iapygian tribes, possibly Illyrian, populated Apulia; and later the Normans in Sicily.".
Genetic history of Italy - Wikipedia

Most of those big counter-expectational Italian brands are in the North. High fashion, Engineering, Finance etc.

I used to date a girl who came from Gaggio-Marcon in the North of Italy (when I was much younger) and her father was one of the Northern Separatists. That relationship ended on the night that I met him (and his wife).

That's why ..

I should add "White" is human-defined and mutable so that is how the membership has changed over time.

Are people in the Caucus-Stans around Russia "White"? Well that depends on who you speak to. In the USA most would qualify but Russian actually refer to them as Black. The same is true of Irish racial group membership.

Not sure why that is so hard to understand.

EDIT2:
"Peoples of the Caucasus are called black, despite the fact that of its Georgian, Dagestani, Chechen etc. population is fair-skinned while the Azeri and Armenian are darker toned; this name calling comes from their relatively darker features.[38][39] Azeris, Georgians, and Armenians from the Caucasus are called "black arses" (Chernozhopy) (черножо́пый).[40] Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the rise of the Muslim population in Russia and the Second Chechen War, many Russian radical nationalists have associated Islam and Muslims with terrorism and domestic crimes.[41]"
Racism in Russia - Wikipedia

Good for PAWGers as they will understand some aspects of racism. I know one who has moved to the USA and for her it is a shock to be seen as being White.

Damn the map with the brands says a lot not only about this racial topic but also how stacked Italians are with high value brands

Damn they got the cars and fashion brands on lock

 

[Reece]

Dummy, we're not talking genetics.

You think we don't know where the fukk Germany is?

You think we don't know how white Irish people are?

Dummy, the thread is about when did those people become POLITICALLY White in the United States.

And the answer to that is after World War II, when America changed it's racial classification system.

Yo ass really thought you was educating some damn body

That makes no sense. You quoting me two days later with this nonsensical post. Early American whites did not have the authority to trademark Whiteness anymore than idiot #ADOS Blacks can trademark Blackness today. How stupid would you sound going around in 2019 saying Jamaicans, Nigerians, Haitians, Ghanaians, and Kenyans weren’t truly Black because they didn’t fit into some narrow minded ass criteria you concocted in your head to somehow make sense. How can one country even claim a race to begin with? Race transcends borders. That’s the point of the broad categorization to begin with. It definitely wasn’t just “political” dumbass. Racists back in the 1800s were undergoing all sorts of experiments and studies fueled by bigoted xenophobic pseudoscience to prove Irish, Italians and any other ethnic Europeans they didn’t like were subhuman and not White. They were morons. Stop legitimizing that garbage. It stopped after WWII? Yea. Right after Hitler died. Big surprise there

 

[African Peasant]

Germans? They been white

 

[bewitched]

Anyone from the continent of Europe is white

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

That makes no sense. You quoting me two days later with this nonsensical post. Early American whites did not have the authority to trademark Whiteness anymore than idiot #ADOS Blacks can trademark Blackness today. How stupid would you sound going around in 2019 saying Jamaicans, Nigerians, Haitians, Ghanaians, and Kenyans weren’t truly Black because they didn’t fit into some narrow minded ass criteria you concocted in your head to somehow make sense. How can one country even claim a race to begin with? Race transcends borders. That’s the point of the broad categorization to begin with. It definitely wasn’t just “political” dumbass. Racists back in the 1800s were undergoing all sorts of experiments and studies fueled by bigoted xenophobic pseudoscience to prove Irish, Italians and any other ethnic Europeans they didn’t like were subhuman and not White. They were morons. Stop legitimizing that garbage. It stopped after WWII? Yea. Right after Hitler died. Big surprise there

Dummy, if I started my own country, you damned right I'd have the right to determine how people are classified in it.

Virtually ever Western country has a racial classification system from Brazil to the Dominican Republic.

Every country gets to decide how THEY want to handle race (who gets to be White, Black, Mestizo, Indigenous, etc. . . )

Apparently, yo dumb ass doesn't live in America, or if you do, you've never filled out a census form, because all of them ask about race, and since there's no agreed upon definition of race, people have to self identify.

Like, mixed people.

IN America, they are usually identified as Black due to the "one-drop rule" that we had in this country that made anybody mixed with African, Black.

That's obviously not a scientifically accurate way to measure anything, but it was the LAW in this country.

Just take your wanna be smart ass somewhere else and let adults have a serious discussion about LAWS.

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

Germans? From nazi Germany? Aryan race Germany? Think nazis, who peddled blue eyed, blonde haired cacs as superior beings, aren't white, brehs. Hitler is an idol to many white supremacists. If he isn't white, i don't know what white is.

Irish? Italians? Some of the whitest, most racist people on earth.

 

[get these nets]

The real answer is the period between 1924 and 1965. Americans of Western European (and Protestant) descent turned on non wasps, passed immigration act of 1924 to reduce amount of non desirable immigrants. Said that the jews, italians,irish,etc weren't assimilating into mainstream American culture because of flood of people from their nationalities/cultures into the country.

Without new countrymen coming in, the assimilation process was sped up for the white ethnics that were here. They intermarried more and blended more into white mainstream society........switched religions, anglicized names,etc

When the Civil Right Bills passed, and discrimination was made illegal technically, they took advantage of new education and occupation opportunities previously blocked to them.....and fully integrated into mainstream white American culture.

@NO-BadAzz

Havent received warning points in years. But wasnt surprised that I got blocked from that thread once I mentioned the 2 pieces of legislation.

Like I said in that thread, Black immigrants were irrelevant to the passage of both laws.

"Whites wanting my people here" is nothing you've read me say or imply. Nobody is naive to think that whites want them here.
A factor that played into the opening up of the country was the govt. response to the economy needing skilled, semi skilled, and unskilled LABOR.
We both know this to be the case because even today with Trump ramping up "kick them all out" rhetoric and raids" , weve seen him publicly walk back some of it because immigrants fill roles in the economy, and big business donors need that unskilled, semi skilled, and skilled labor.



My views and takes about different topics are consistent. Godfrey is a chameleon and what he says changes based on which audience he's talking to.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

@NO-BadAzz

Havent received warning points in years. But wasnt surprised that I got blocked from that thread once I mentioned the 2 pieces of legislation.

Like I said in that thread, Black immigrants were irrelevant to the passage of both laws.

"Whites wanting my people here" is nothing you've read me say or imply. Nobody is naive to think that whites want them here.
A factor that played into the opening up of the country was the govt. response to the economy needing skilled, semi skilled, and unskilled LABOR.
We both know this to be the case because even today with Trump ramping up "kick them all out" rhetoric and raids" , weve seen him publicly walk back some of it because immigrants fill roles in the economy, and big business donors need that unskilled, semi skilled, and skilled labor.



My views and takes about different topics are consistent. Godfrey is a chameleon and what he says changes based on which audience he's talking to.

But you are in fact implying that whites wanted you all over here with the sentence being highlighted.

 

[get these nets]

But you are in fact implying that whites wanted you all over here with the sentence being highlighted.

Needing labor slots filled in the economy is different than "wanting people here".



Trump paused raids on different industries because it was hurting the bottom line of big business interests.


Would you say that Trump "wants those immigrants" here?

Part of the lobbying for the reversal of the immigration restrictions in the 1960s, was the advocates pitching how the economy would benefit and expand with different tiers of workers being allowed to enter. Skilled, semi-skilled, and unskilled.
They made a practical proposal, to address/counter the opposition.

Exact same thing that big business interests did earlier this year to get Trump to pause raids in critical industries.

At any rate, thanks for replying after I was blocked from the other thread.

 

[Strapped]

Where is op trying to go with this , the United States is the guardian of white supremacy