Why did Jim Crow-era whites want blacks to only get a technical/vocational education?

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Plus whites don't want a depiction of how murderous, violent, and corrupt they acted back then and also today...they know they do it, but its not easy looking into the mirror after all that repugnant shyt we know about

Lmao breh you have no idea. I about flipped out reading some of these responses from these guys. I got into it with them about the issue of white privilege before. I cited studies from Princeton, Harvard, and a few academic texts saying that whites and blacks are treated MUCH differently in most aspects of everyday American life and these dudes WOULD NOT concede the fact that this shyt was true at all. Replies consisted of "well my grandpa worked hard" or "I know plenty of Asians that...." that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic. I had to just remind myself this is a group of people who deny science and math as important and their feelings and lack of experience is all they care to consider in any matter.

Alright here's some responses to the discussion on 12 Years A Slave:

-I don't think this movie helps race relations..And I am not even 20 min into it

-Since Obama took office, there has been a concerted effort by the government and the media to divide the races and promote racial animosity, especially among blacks.

-seeing as how lots of things are falling apart and he needs some good distraction among his main constituency, obummer probably called his buddies and asked them to "stir it up"

-Liberal propaganda. I doubt everything that movie showed is true.

-IM sure many of those things took place but man this movie over the top and it didnt let up

-I have read many diaries from that era and many slave owners were very caring people...they did not abuse their slaves

-Of course not, it's obviously meant to inflame them.

-I believe that. I'm sure it wasn't that the blacks living in plantations were abused. They had a place to live and food to eat. Whites gave them a chance for work at least.

Maybe a few masters were racist and evil but not much.

-I'm not going to bother to see it but just remember that it's just that a movie. It's not real.

-Only in about 1% of cases. (This is in response to how normal the treatment depicted in the film was)

-...and now the thread turns into one of gilded cages.... this is exactly what the movie producer wants... it's the same as when Roots came out. It's not meant to heal wounds or explain history, it's meant to anger and frustrate people.

-One reason I despise Matthew McConaughey ,
as a white man he has done more to create hatred among black and white with his movies over the last few years-as long as it gets you $$ and fame I guess its ok to denigrate your own race
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I've posted this quote in another thread but this shyt rings true again and again:
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov
 

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simply put, they would rather have us do the labor while they capitalized off it.


I think you've hit the nail on the nail. Well-put.

On another note, I've never said that there was anything wrong with a technical/vocational education. Just wondering why, at one point, whites wanted only that for us.
 

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I could make this a scholarly post, but it's late so I'll just drop the knowledge in "brutha-speak".

The trades were hemmed up even back then so that certain uneducated people were shoed in for a way to make a solid living, same thing with Fire-Fighters and Police(other public services also), but they allowed blacks to come in as assistant laborers and the like. That leeway eventually turned into the opportunity to become a skilled tradesman and earn a decent living, even if you were black.

Today, you can still be a tradesman, get into a good union, make a good living, but you'll be working around unrefined, low brow tradesman.
And, they're that way, because they're tradesman. If they were scholars, they would have gone to school.:manny:


I've worked around them since back in my college years, and they're a rough group. The "Human Resources Office" threat isn't as prevalent in a trade environment, so attitudes are much worse if you have a bad bunch.

But honestly, the biggest reason is, if you're a tradesman, the long term effects/income are stark compared to office/white collar folks. You're dirty everyday, your back/arms/legs hurt everyday, you will work odd hours or shifts, bounce from site to site(potentially) you don't command a high level of respect from professional peers, there's a glass ceiling since you're usually hourly, and there's only so much your body can take.

20 years as a tradesman? You may top out at 70k, a year maybe 80. And you're busting your ass and abusing your body for it.

20 years as an Engineer, Financial Analyst, IT Analyst? You can break 6 figures and stay there consistantly, get off work at 5pm and spend days with your kids not worrying about if your backs going to give out when you go to pick them up and spin them around. You can enjoy your life a little more. Spend time with your family. Feel better. You use your mind and not your body. And the mind is powerful, it can take a lot more stress than the body.

I still do both, I work full time in the trades and full time in corporate setting. It's a good balance because personally, it's emasculating to be sitting behind a desk, sitting in meetings, have phone conference calls, and analyze spreadsheets all day. There's no "flexing" in it.

But when the checks come in. :blessed:
 

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I could make this a scholarly post, but it's late so I'll just drop the knowledge in "brutha-speak".

The trades were hemmed up even back then so that certain uneducated people were shoed in for a way to make a solid living, same thing with Fire-Fighters and Police(other public services also), but they allowed blacks to come in as assistant laborers and the like. That leeway eventually turned into the opportunity to become a skilled tradesman and earn a decent living, even if you were black.

Today, you can still be a tradesman, get into a good union, make a good living, but you'll be working around unrefined, low brow tradesman.
And, they're that way, because they're tradesman. If they were scholars, they would have gone to school.:manny:


I've worked around them since back in my college years, and they're a rough group. The "Human Resources Office" threat isn't as prevalent in a trade environment, so attitudes are much worse if you have a bad bunch.

But honestly, the biggest reason is, if you're a tradesman, the long term effects/income are stark compared to office/white collar folks. You're dirty everyday, your back/arms/legs hurt everyday, you will work odd hours or shifts, bounce from site to site(potentially) you don't command a high level of respect from professional peers, there's a glass ceiling since you're usually hourly, and there's only so much your body can take.

20 years as a tradesman? You may top out at 70k, a year maybe 80. And you're busting your ass and abusing your body for it.

20 years as an Engineer, Financial Analyst, IT Analyst? You can break 6 figures and stay there consistantly, get off work at 5pm and spend days with your kids not worrying about if your backs going to give out when you go to pick them up and spin them around. You can enjoy your life a little more. Spend time with your family. Feel better. You use your mind and not your body. And the mind is powerful, it can take a lot more stress than the body.

I still do both, I work full time in the trades and full time in corporate setting. It's a good balance because personally, it's emasculating to be sitting behind a desk, sitting in meetings, have phone conference calls, and analyze spreadsheets all day. There's no "flexing" in it.

But when the checks come in. :blessed:

What trade do you do?
 

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And you don't have to work for someone necessarily if you know a trade. I know my plumber who came to fix my shyt when I moved into my house had his own business. Black man hustlin and living good. We need to start respecting others goals. It's a shame college people look down on trade peers. Why??????
 

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And you don't have to work for someone necessarily if you know a trade. I know my plumber who came to fix my shyt when I moved into my house had his own business. Black man hustlin and living good. We need to start respecting others goals. It's a shame college people look down on trade peers. Why??????
That is a good route though with him starting his own business.
 

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Trades were psychological extensions of slave labor. Sure these are jobs that need to be done, but to a people, they need to see levels of greatness in all fields. And intellectualism wasn't something they wanted us to see ourselves in, in fact they didn't even see it themselves. Up until about 1964 black were considered sub-human.
 

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STEM degrees are gonna get over saturated. Better off being an entrepreneur.
It's impossible for STEM degrees to get oversaturate.
Most people are not built for math...which is heavily required in STEM degrees....that's the main reason people run away from them
 

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I also think that whites didn't want us to think too much
 
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It's impossible for STEM degrees to get oversaturate.
Most people are not built for math...which is heavily required in STEM degrees....that's the main reason people run away from them

And on top of the fact that there isn't a STEM for dummies book available, but as technology progresses, there will be less need for STEM. Best thing is to be an entrepreneur instead of a high paying employee.
 
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