Why did the 5% nation submerge?

[Hawaiian Punch]

They did a smear campaign on Clarence X.. when he was killed in 69, the 5% nation went in a different direction.

Unrelated but I consider the 60s some of the worst times in our nations history (slavery aside). So many of our leaders that were pushing us in a positive direction were murdered. What could have been..

 

[Wild self]

Unrelated but I consider the 60s some of the worst times in our nations history (slavery aside). So many of our leaders that were pushing us in a positive direction were murdered. What could have been..

yup. Another black tragedy is the phasing out of the black groups like Public Enemy back in the early 90s for the gangsta rap flavor. They had a movement that made black men and women stood up as black people and was none of that self-destructive bullshyt.

 

[atlbound]

That's what concerned me the most. I just remember during that time the most feared dudes on the block were 5%ers. Cats with names like insight, or Wise Allah who were out on the block pushing poison, but in the next breath building about today's mathematics. Funny thing was at the time I looked up to these dudes. They smoked weed, packed guns, had knowledge of self...they just seemed like they were put on to something that I hadn't found. Only looking back do I realize how foul some, not all, of these dudes were. You can't contribute to the poisoning of a community and talk about how you want to uplift it. That's some nino brown shyt.

how much of this was because the movement appealing or trying to appeal to the street element and how much of it was the movement actually promoting poisonous behavior tho. I dont know if you can blame them for the thugs picking up on the teachings...you can argue that the movement wasnt successful in turning them around, but thats a different story.

edit: nvm, I see your post here

Never said that breh. I was referring to those who popularized it in the 90s. The dope selling rapper with knowledge of self, whose still serving fiends and smoking weed. It's like a walking oxymoron. Then again most religions become caricatures of what their original intentions were.

agree. daps.

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

yup. Another black tragedy is the phasing out of the black groups like Public Enemy back in the early 90s for the gangsta rap flavor. They had a movement that made black men and women stood up as black people and was none of that self-destructive bullshyt.

That too me was one of the saddest things. The early 90s for me was when I saw this new generation get knowledge of self. Artists like public enemy, tribe, yz, brand Nubian and x-clan were giving us our history and our place in the world. Even though I was a kid I felt fortunate to experience that. It's sad how that became corrupted.

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

But really the most profound factor on the 5% nation was COINTELPRO

When KING was murdered...The politicians of NYC feared mass riots and chaos in Nyc

Mayor Lindsay reached out to Father Allah (clarence 13x) to calm the youth down in harlem

and it worked...lindsay was greatful and helped by hetting the 5% nation thier property which the school sits on today

but when they (the feds) realized he wasnt gonnna be thier government pawn

It wasnt long before Clarence 13x was killed

And numerous agents penetrated the nation causing havoc and helping create rogue elements like the SUPREME TEAM

Clarence 13x spent his life running off dope dealers around mt.morris park and the projects

by no means he would have cosigned these savages that CAME AFTER HIM

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

But really the most profound factor on the 5% nation was COINTELPRO

When KING was murdered...The politicians of NYC feared mass riots and chaos in Nyc

Mayor Lindsay reached out to Father Allah (clarence 13x) to calm the youth down in harlem

and it worked...lindsay was greatful and helped by hetting the 5% nation thier property which the school sits on today

but when they (the feds) realized he wasnt gonnna be thier government pawn

It wasnt long before Clarence 13x was killed

And numerous agents penetrated the nation causing havoc and helping create rogue elements like the SUPREME TEAM

Clarence 13x spent his life running off dope dealers around mt.morris park and the projects

by no means he would have cosigned these savages that CAME AFTER HIM

How did we allow this? I guess the question is rhetorical but still.

 

[Wild self]

That too me was one of the saddest things. The early 90s for me was when I saw this new generation get knowledge of self. Artists like public enemy, tribe, yz, brand Nubian and x-clan were giving us our history and our place in the world. Even though I was a kid I felt fortunate to experience that. It's sad how that became corrupted.

Yeah, those pro-black groups are hated on not only by CACs, but many of the oldheads back then too. People hated that black power shyt and was on that Stacey from Menace II Society "I don't play none of that black power shyt in my ride" bullshyt. I believe that people are trying to erase those black power rap groups from rap history as a whole. People think that 90s was all about BIG/ Pac/ DMX/ LOX/ Wu when most of them indirectly contributed to the self destruction of the black mindstate.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

The 5% Teachings, The Wu Tang Clan and Queensbridge were the GREATEST things to ever happen to NYC hip hop...Not Biggie and Jay Z the way fan boys want to make you believe...

That combination produced some of my favourite music considering ALL GENREs of music...

 

[Patriarch]

13x never espoused God like values. Brotha could be found regularly shooting dice , drinking , smoking a cig , or just chillin in front of the bodega. Honestly these brothas never made any sort of noise nationally. To this day the only place Ive encountered a 5% presence is the north east. Ive actually met brothas who rose through the ranks with Clarence and none of them had favorable opinions of him or his teachings(most of which were variations of things he learned from the NOI)

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

13x never espoused God like values. Brotha could be found regularly shooting dice , drinking , smoking a cig , or just chillin in front of the bodega. Honestly these brothas never made any sort of noise nationally. To this day the only place Ive encountered a 5% presence is the north east. Ive actually met brothas who rose through the ranks with Clarence and none of them had favorably opinions of him or his teachings(most of which were variations of things he learned from the NOI)

Another factor is CORNBALL CONSERVATIVES LIKE THIS c00n daddy right here

he calls himself reagonomics

how appropriate

yet his signature is a 5% inspired lyric

"Bringing ancient mathamatics to man"

 

[Digga38]

Look at the 90s babies that are now grown and think that they white. Ever since Wayne blew up with that Dipset style, all the black kids want to be skateboarders, wear rockstar clothing, and listen to music outside of traditional rap and R & B. Basically a people without a culture. Even black entertainment and media fell off around the mid 00s when that rockstar lifestyle merged with the commercial rap lifestyle.

stop basing culture round fukkin clothes....if nikkaz want to skateboard and dress as such they should be allowed to do so

 

[aRoMaN21]

Unrelated but I consider the 60s some of the worst times in our nations history (slavery aside). So many of our leaders that were pushing us in a positive direction were murdered. What could have been..

Farakhan killed Malcolm bc he stopped hating "the devil"

and they killed clarence x for the same reason...

NOI is very racist and stukk in the 60's. so are children who post on this board and hate a skin color without knowing that skin colors minds.

 

[Patriarch]

Another factor is CORNBALL CONSERVATIVES LIKE THIS c00n daddy right here

he calls himself reagonomics

how appropriate

yet his signature is a 5% inspired lyric

"Bringing ancient mathamatics to man"

Let me voice my concern
So many of my fellow brothers have given themselves a title that their actions didn't earn
Our ignorance is in the same breath as our innocence
Subconciously, seeking to find an impressionable mind to convince
I've finally come to the realization why Black people in the worse place
Cuz it's hard to correct yourself when you don't know who you are in the first place

So how can you call yourself God when you let a worldly possession
Become an obsession and the way you write your rhymes and can't follow your lesson

If you God, then save your own, don't mentally enslave your own

 

[Niqqa You Gay]

Because that trash gimmick got old like all fads do

 

[Patriarch]

Farakhan killed Malcolm bc he stopped hating "the devil"

and they killed clarence x for the same reason...

NOI is very racist and stukk in the 60's. so are children who post on this board and hate a skin color without knowing that skin colors minds.

Malcolm killed himself.. Farrakhan didn't have the power to order that brothas death. Elijah saved thousands of men from their own demise , including Malcolm. When you take a junkie and give him knowledge of self , that man is forever indebted. Malcolm didn't just reject Elijah's teachings , he rejected the foundation , the basic principles of the NOI. His actions were tantamount to treason. When people today say they love Malcolm , they really mean they love Malcolm under Elijah's guidance. Malcolm post NOI was a different man.