why did the dreamcast fail again?

[TheFireCar]

it was so ahead of it's time, why was it a commercial failure? do you guys remember the reasons

 

[Kingshango]

Short answer: The Saturn.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Sega's 7 years of transgressions preceding it basically doomed the whole console. It sold historically well out the gate but they burned so many bridges with their mishandling of the Saturn that when the PS2 came around, they didn't have the necessary support from third-party developers and retailers to compete. And since Sega was deep in the red (they needed a stimmy from their former president purely out of the goodness of his heart to keep from going bankrupt), it just wasn't feasible to stay in the console business.

Dreamcast actually had superior hardware and specs to the PS2 but PS2 supporting DVDs in a time where DVD players were DUMB expensive was an underrated game changer, too. DC only supported GD-ROMs

 

[Jean Jacket]

Sony came through and crushed the buildings.

I recall that Japan had the best games and even though the US had some bangers...it was just ahead of its time and people were stupid as fukk.

 

[TheFireCar]

Sega's 7 years of transgressions preceding it basically doomed the whole console. It sold historically well out the gate but they burned so many bridges with their mishandling of the Saturn that when the PS2 came around, they didn't have the necessary support from third-party developers and retailers to compete. And since Sega was deep in the red (they needed a stimmy from their former president purely out of the goodness of his heart to keep from going bankrupt), it just wasn't feasible to stay in the console business.

thank you for the answer

wasn't the marketing for it also pretty bad if i remember right?

 

[FunkDoc1112]

thank you for the answer

wasn't the marketing for it also pretty bad if i remember right?

Nah, marketing was on point - that's the tragedy. Sega did everything RIGHT with the Dreamcast, but made too many mistakes beforehand (including bushing the Saturn to even get to the DC in the first place).

Had Sega stuck with it, they probably would've been doing the same level of business as the Gamecube if not slightly better due to online support, but they didnt have the finances to take the L like Nintendo did (remember the GC was getting washed so bad Nintendo had to actually pause console production for a few months)

 

[xiceman191]

Wasn't the GD-Rom also easily bootlegged which made it really easy for people to pirate the games as well and that kind of played a part in its downfall?

 

[Leasy]

DVD and Sony signing publishers to not put games on the system comparable to what Sony was doing to Xbox.

 

[TheFireCar]

Nah, marketing was on point - that's the tragedy. Sega did everything RIGHT with the Dreamcast, but made too many mistakes beforehand (including bushing the Saturn to even get to the DC in the first place).

Had Sega stuck with it, they probably would've been doing the same level of business as the Gamecube if not slightly better due to online support, but they didnt have the finances to take the L like Nintendo did (remember the GC was getting washed so bad Nintendo had to actually pause console production for a few months)

ahh i see
it seems like they should of done what Sony does, slowly transition the current console to the next gen console but still produce for it

seems like Sega did a hard stop on the Saturn for the Dreamcast and that caused the problems if I'm reading you right

 

[PS5 Pro]

it was so ahead of it's time, why was it a commercial failure? do you guys remember the reasons

two reasons. First the GD-rom (disc drive) was too easy to bootleg, and the rise of the internet made it so Sega didn’t account for how easily or widespread bootlegging would spread if this was to happen.

The PlayStation 2 was going to be more powerful which shouldn’t matter but they acted like it did

The final nail was EA. EA wouldn’t put games on Dreamcast because they are direct competitors to their business cash cow which is sports. NBA 2k/ NFL2k Vs madden and live. The industry claims that was the final blow. I call bulshyt but I concur the bootlegging was real

it makes no sense that a Dreamcast 2 wasn’t developed. The series X should be the Dreamcast 5

 

[FunkDoc1112]

two reasons. First the GD-rom (disc drive) was too easy to bootleg, and the rise of the internet made it so Sega didn’t account for how easily or widespread bootlegging would spread if this was to happen.

The PlayStation 2 was going to be more powerful which shouldn’t matter but they acted like it did

The final nail was EA. EA wouldn’t put games on Dreamcast because they are direct competitors to their business cash cow which is sports. NBA 2k/ NFL2k Vs madden and live. The industry claims that was the final blow. I call bulshyt but I concur the bootlegging was real

it makes no sense that a Dreamcast 2 wasn’t developed. The series X should be the Dreamcast 5

Nah the EA thing goes back to the Sega Saturn. They were PISSED when Sega bumped up the release date from November to May on 2 weeks notice and stopped working with them - that's the whole reason Sega started the 2k franchise in the first place.

XBox wound up being the spiritual successor though and I think at one point Sega was going to become an exclusive Microsoft publisher.

 

[DJ Paul's Arm]

Which reminds me, we need a code Veronica remaster like part 2

 

[radio rahiem]

The fact that a stock Dreamcast can play pirated games also killed it.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

I mean when discussing the failure of the dreamcast (and sega as a whole) where do you even begin?

 

[PS5 Pro]

Nah the EA thing goes back to the Sega Saturn. They were PISSED when Sega bumped up the release date from November to May on 2 weeks notice and stopped working with them - that's the whole reason Sega started the 2k franchise in the first place.

XBox wound up being the spiritual successor though and I think at one point Sega was going to become an exclusive Microsoft publisher.

Not sure where you got that from but that’s totally false. The bump up dates I can’t speak on, but the relationship was untouched as you can see from exhibit A

I have desert storm or whenever it’s called by EA for the Saturn. EA didn’t and wouldn’t make games for Dreamcast

The Dreamcast launched with NFL2k so the reason for the creation isn’t what you’re saying because It’s not true. In fact, visual concepts was the development studio who made Madden. Sega bought them and then created Sega sports and made that EXCLUSIVE. That’s why EA was like fukk Sega (Google it if you don’t believe the Don)

I don’t understand why, but I’m always hearing all these different reasons for why the Dreamcast died and usually it’s incorrect information. Odd, but it’sa real thing…