Why do a lot of y'all hate To Pimp A Butterfly?

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I feel like if you're not a jazz head you can't relate to it as a masterpiece.

Always felt like this is what a Donald Byrd hip hop album would sound like. If you can't appreciate I truly feel sorry cause this is top 5 for me
I'm not a jazz head and the album is still a classic to me.

:yeshrug:

It has that old west coast G funk vibe and it sounds authentic, like it could have released during the peak of the G funk era. Not like the imitation G funk sound that came after the 90s.

I still play this album all the time.
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I dont think the production is anywhere near GKMC. Then again I havent ran through the whole album in quite a while.

The 2nd half of the album is unbelievably strong :picard:

Mortal Man :scust:

Ill have to give it a listen today
 

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Terrace Martin's jazzy production sounds too much like smooth jazz, so even though I actually do fukk with jazz & the album got hyped that way, I couldnt really enjoy much off it. Also the fake interviewing Tupac thing kinda feels off in a strange way, and was a overly long annoying way to end the album. Also his pretentious ass spoken word bout his dikk not being free was hella annoying. Also his "concept" track of the homeless guy begging for a dollar being Jesus was not that clever and kinda disappointing. And then his other "concept" song 'Blacker The Berry' is actually even kinda offensive with his apologist respectability politics. I chopped the ending off that too and I can kinda pretend its not what it actually is

Also his repetitive ass interludes bout waking up in the hotel screaming and crying annoyed the hell out of me after like the 4th one and then they just kept happening. I edited them all down to one interlude and its cool or whatever, just annoying that I had to or else it drains hella tracks otherwise. Also "I Love Myself" coulda been a real crossover classic on some OutKast shyt but was just too corny... Honestly it just needed the beat to be a lil harder and it woulda worked. but it's too corny how it is.


So, thats the reasons. Its a surprising amount of them to be honest. I still do love 'Be Alright'. That song is classic and so is the video, and it saves the album for me. and 'King Kunta' is cool, appreciated the homage to Suga Free plus it goes hard. There might be more worth exploring on the album but as a whole was kinda too weighed down to enjoy. I've loved every other Kendrick album, for whatever thats worth.

this is it!

@FruitOfTheVale wrote a great article about this!
 

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He's on record as stating he doesn't want history lessons in his music. He didn't like Untitled either. :francis:

That's what it boils down to for me. If you don't like the album fine, I get it. But saying it's "pretentious" is laughable to me...especially coming from people who literally only listen to trap (be it rap or r&b). How can I value your musical opinion on this subject when you stick your neck out like that, with no personal frame of reference.

It's a great album and its impact on music is undeniable at this point. That album single handidly revived jazz. The major players from that album (Kamasi Washington, Terrace Martin, Robert Glasper, Thundercat, etc) have found increased success since its release, jazz artists are getting booked at festivals more often, the live scene is more packed than ever, etc. It also ushered in the flurry of "pro black" or woke albums that came afterwards, as well as more (black) musicianship in mainstream music. Lemonade, A Seat At The Table, J Cole's last two albums, This Is America, etc.

I don't even understand the obsession with certain black people on this forum to hate on the album. Like I said, if you think it's trash that's fine. But jesus, brehs really out here trying to discredit the intentions and message of an album full of raps about...mass incarceration, colorism, mental health, black pride, black love...?
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This album was great, but nothing ground breaking. The hiphop heads that listen to Little Brohter, Slum Village, Strange Fruit Project or similar acts the album production wise was dope, but nothing new. Lyrical content as well.

That type of production been around

 

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That's what it boils down to for me. If you don't like the album fine, I get it. But saying it's "pretentious" is laughable to me...especially coming from people who literally only listen to trap (be it rap or r&b). How can I value your musical opinion on this subject when you stick your neck out like that, with no personal frame of reference.

It's a great album and its impact on music is undeniable at this point. That album single handidly revived jazz. The major players from that album (Kamasi Washington, Terrace Martin, Robert Glasper, Thundercat, etc) have found increased success since its release, jazz artists are getting booked at festivals more often, the live scene is more packed than ever, etc. It also ushered in the flurry of "pro black" or woke albums that came afterwards, as well as more (black) musicianship in mainstream music. Lemonade, A Seat At The Table, J Cole's last two albums, This Is America, etc.

I don't even understand the obsession with certain black people on this forum to hate on the album. Like I said, if you think it's trash that's fine. But jesus, brehs really out here trying to discredit the intentions and message of an album full of raps about...mass incarceration, colorism, mental health, black pride, black love...?
:dwillhuh:

It's really strange. Even if you're not crazy about the album, you're trying to tell me the production/instrumentation isn't up to par? Songs like "You Ain't Gotta Lie" or "Wesley's Theory" don't move you at all? :dwillhuh:

I remember when it came out, I wasn't a fan of Kendrick, but my best friend was. It's not like I had anything against him, I just never listened to his music. My best friend put me on to the album, telling me to listen to "Wesley's Theory." I was like :mjtf: when I first heard it and didn't get it at all. Then I listened to "The Blacker the Berry" and I was like :damn: when I heard that. I've been a Kendrick fan ever since.

Honestly, the things that certain Coli posters want out of rap music these days aren't really things they want. They just think they do. We sit here all the time talking about how rap has degraded and the golden age isn't coming back. But what if an album like Fear of a Black Planet came out today? Or The Low End Theory or Death Certificate or any of those other classics? Would they get any love? Would people be like :mjpls: if any of those albums won the Pulitzer? Probably.
 

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I think GKMC > TPAB

but to be honest that’s more where I was in life when those were released. Wouldn’t argue with someone who said the opposite
 
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