Why do analyst/Experts prefer LeBron and players prefer Kobe?

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Kobe busted a lot of those player's ass before he retired and the others who are in the league now grew up legit idolizing Kobe or view LeBron as a peer so they definitely not gonna say he better than Kobe.

This for the most part......

 

[Sunalmighty]

THERE ARE ABOUT 10 GREATS WHO WOULDA DONE THE SAME OR BETTER IN HIS SHOES

Man this makes no sense.

 

[theoretic]

Kobe took unnecessary bad shots because he's so confident in his ability that he doesn't think any shot is a bad shot for him

I salute it but come on Kobe

"It's not that I don't trust my teammates; I just trust myself more"

Kobe in in a nutshell

 

[BlueHeffner]

Scottie is on ESPN and said Lebron hasnt surpassed Goatbe



Only on this site are there nikkas who think it isnt even a debate anymore

 

[CurrencyChase]

It's because people want to romantisize NBA greats once they retire. LeBron impact will register more with fans and players after he hangs up this jersey.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

You could absolutely argue lebron over Kobe

It's just laughable to me how you out of shape nerds think that your opinion carries so much more weight than the people who actually played the game

NBA player who played against both Kobe and lebron: "they're both all time greats, but I think Kobe is better"

Former NBA player: "can't go wrong with either, but I would take Kobe"

Fat ass unathletic nerd from the Coli who can't even carry 4 grocery bags at once: "anyone who has Kobe over lebron doesn't understand basketball."

Exactly. My problem is the disrespect. Realistically other than probably Jordan and Kareem you can argue the whole rest of the top 10. It just blows me when bron stand act like he's do clearly better than Kobe or even Tim or shaq. It's disrespectful. You can have LeBron over Kobe but stop acting like LeBron is on a whole other level. It's absurd

 

[Houston911]

Scottie is on ESPN and said Lebron hasnt surpassed Goatbe

Scottie doesn't know sh*t about basketball

Yeah I know he played the game all his life, but he doesn't understand pace, dprm, hollinger ratings, per 36 minute stats

Does he even have a synergy account?

Does he have an algorithm that shows which player is better?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

u should go check Kobe's playoff resume bc u off base

Well, that's not hard. Here's every elimination game Kobe has ever played:

1997 WCSF Game 5: 11-2-2 with 1 steal, 4-14 field, 0-6 threes, 3-3 line, 93-98 loss
1998 WCF Game 4: 6-1-0 with 1 steal and 1 block, 2-2 field, 0-0 threes, 2-3 line, 92-96 loss
1999 WCSF Game 4: 16-8-3, 7-16 field, 1-3 threes, 1-2 line, 107-118 loss
2000 1st Round Game 5: 17-2-6 with 3 blocks, 7-16 field, 1-5 threes, 2-2 line, 113-86 win
2000 WCF Game 7: 25-11-7 with 4 blocks, 9-19 field, 1-4 threes, 6-12 line, 89-84 win
2002 WCF Game 6: 31-11-5, 10-20 field, 0-0 threes, 11-11 line, 106-102 win
2002 WCF Game 7: 30-10-7 with 2 steals, 10-26 field, 2-3 threes, 8-10 line, 112-106 win
2003 WCSF Game 6: 20-2-6 with 1 steal, 9-19 field, 2-5 threes, 0-2 line, 82-110 loss
2004 Finals Game 5: 24-3-4 with 1 steal, 7-21 field, 0-2 threes, 10-11 line, 87-100 loss
2005: missed playoffs
2006 1st Round Game 7: 24-4-1 with 1 block, 8-16 field, 4-8 threes, 4-5 line, 90-121 loss
2007 1st Round Game 5: 34-4-1 with 1 steal, 13-33 field, 2-8 threes, 6-7 line, 110-119 loss
2008 Finals Game 5: 25-7-4 with 5 steals, 8-21 field, 4-9 threes, 5-7 line, 103-98 win
2008 Finals Game 6: 22-3-1 with 1 steal, 7-22 field, 3-9 threes, 5-5 line, 92-131 loss
2009 WCSF Game 7: 14-7-5 with 3 steals and 2 blocks, 4-12 field, 1-4 threes, 5-6 line, 89-70 win
2010 Finals Game 6: 26-11-3 with 4 steals, 9-19 field, 1-4 threes, 7-7 line, 89-67 win
2010 Finals Game 7: 23-15-2 and 1 steal, 6-24 field, 0-6 threes, 11-15 line, 83-79 win
2011 WCSF Game 4: 17-3-1, 7-18 field, 0-5 threes, 3-4 line, 86-122 loss
2012 1st Round Game 7: 17-1-8 with 1 block, 7-16 field, 2-2 threes, 1-4 line, 96-87 win
2012 WCSF Game 5: 42-16-2 with 3 blocks, 18-33 field, 1-6 threes, 5-7 line, 90-106 loss
2013: missed playoffs due to injury
2014: missed playoffs
2015: missed playoffs
2016: missed playoffs

That's 19 elimination games on there. He lost more than he won, even though 17 of the 19 were played during his years with stacked lineups. So what's the most impressive game on there? That infamous Kings Game 6 the refs rigged for them? The blowout loss to the Thunder where he put up mad points? Hell, about half those games he shot 30-something % or worse and more than a third of those games he didn't even break 20. Why so many shytty games when the series was on the line if Kobe has such a "killer instinct"?

For years he's played extra minutes in games that were clearly out of hand.

Yeah, I'm sure that Lebron wants to put more wear and tear on his body to the point that he overrides his coach's personnel decisions just so he can get extra time in meaningless games.

Avoids taking end of shot clock shots since they're such a low percentage shots.

Compete bullshyt. The numbers have been posted here before - Lebron has taken as many end of shot clock shots in his career as anyone in the NBA.

I think that has tied into the front running label as well. When his team is in the lead eye test wise he seems a lot looser and his jumper is much better which usually coincides him being in the midst of a good game.

So you're saying that when he's having a good game and gets his team the lead, he continues to have a good game?

I think Kobe was harder to shut down and more skilled over all. Lebron plays smarter. If Kobe faces a tough defense/defender he'd try to conquer the defense to prove a point. Lebron was smart enough to run pick and roll until he got a matchup more desirable to him.

This is true.

I think Kobe appeals to players more because Lebron has shown you can get in to his head and if he can't totally figure out how to get his then he can become really passive and shut down. Kobe is going to try and keep attacking until he figures something out which appeals to player's competitive nature.

Except outside of that Dallas series, Lebron is the one who kept finding ways to have monster games when his team was on their way to elimination (Detroit 2006, Boston 2008, Indiana 2012, Boston 2012, San Antonio 2013, Golden State 2016) or put up ridiculous performances even when completely outnumbered (Washington 2006, Detroit 2006, Orlando 2009, Golden State 2015).

Meanwhile, Kobe is the one who gets eliminated in blown out or humiliating fashion over and over (San Antonio 2003, Detroit 2004, Phoenix 2005, Boston 2008, Dallas 2011).

I think the best current example is why so many players old and new absolutely love Russell Westbrook and side eye James Harden.

So why are the players voting Harden as the MVP in 2015 then?

 

[I AM WARHOL]

Even last year during the finals, before the Cavs comeback, announcers and fans were talking about LeBron statpadding. Jvg was saying "nice stat padding by LeBron there's. As soon as they comeback every pundit is like "look at his stats. Lead the team in every category ".

I'm just sitting there like

 

[Ziggiy]

Kobe busted a lot of those player's ass before he retired and the others who are in the league now grew up legit idolizing Kobe or view LeBron as a peer so they definitely not gonna say he better than Kobe.

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When they ask Derozan in 10-15 years who'd HE take he'll say Lebron.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Basically players see what we all see but some don't want to admit.

Lebron is a stat stuffer. He is a great player but a lot of his game is frontrunning. Playing well when he is out in front. People who actually criticize him publicly been saying that for years.

Lebron's the one who came back from down 3-1 in the Finals and down 3-2 in the Finals, plus down 3-2 in the ECF and down 2-1 in the ECSF (with both his major sidekicks injured) twice.

Every player tends to play better when they're ahead, because they were already having a good game to get ahead in the first place. But the idea that Lebron specially scores more points when his team has a lead is just stupid. There's never been the slightest bit of evidence offered for that. Hell, the same people who make that claim will turn around and claim in a different series that he was only scoring when behind (like they started saying in 2014).

There are more random, stupid attempts to criticize Lebron that have never been leveled against anyone else in the sport.


"But he's too big and too fast, so his numbers shouldn't count the same as they do for a less athletic player!"

"But his stats don't count because he plays more minutes than he should!"

"But he plays better when his team is ahead!"

"But his field goal percentage drops if you don't count shots from 0 to 3 feet!"

"But his game isn't pretty enough!"

"But he's clearly stat-stuffing because he gets so many of them!"

"But look what he did in that one All-Star game!"

"But his game-winner shouldn't count because he got close to the basket to make it!"

"But he passes out of double-teams to the open man for the game-winner, so he has no heart!"

"But the measure of a player is how many 50-win teams your team has beaten as of 2015 and you can't count lockout years but you can count sidekick years!"

"But he's too arrogant so his accomplishments shouldn't count!"

"But he said something in an interview that made me feel bad about myself as a fan!"

"But he formed his own team in free agency so his titles shouldn't count!"

"But he boasted about high expectations during a pep rally therefore championships after that pep rally don't count!"

"Losing in the Finals should count against him more than missing the playoffs would have!"


Literally none of these idiot arguments were being used to evaluate NBA players until people started having to desperately find some way to knock Lebron.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

Scottie today

 

[CoochieMane]

Because analyst never actually played the game.

 

[Sccit]

Man this makes no sense.

HOW NOT? BULLS WERE A GREAT 50+ WIN TEAM A WIN AWAY FROM THE ECF WIT PIPPEN AS THE BEST PLAYER .. THE STARS ALIGNED FOR MJ.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Lebron's the one who came back from down 3-1 in the Finals and down 3-2 in the Finals, plus down 3-2 in the ECF and down 2-1 in the ECSF (with both his major sidekicks injured) twice.

Every player tends to play better when they're ahead, because they were already having a good game to get ahead in the first place. But the idea that Lebron specially scores more points when his team has a lead is just stupid. There's never been the slightest bit of evidence offered for that. Hell, the same people who make that claim will turn around and claim in a different series that he was only scoring when behind (like they started saying in 2014).

There are more random, stupid attempts to criticize Lebron that have never been leveled against anyone else in the sport.


"But he's too big and too fast, so his numbers shouldn't count the same as they do for a less athletic player!"

"But his stats don't count because he plays more minutes than he should!"

"But he plays better when his team is ahead!"

"But his field goal percentage drops if you don't count shots from 0 to 3 feet!"

"But his game isn't pretty enough!"

"But he's clearly stat-stuffing because he gets so many of them!"

"But look what he did in that one All-Star game!"

"But his game-winner shouldn't count because he got close to the basket to make it!"

"But he passes out of double-teams to the open man for the game-winner, so he has no heart!"

"But the measure of a player is how many 50-win teams your team has beaten as of 2015 and you can't count lockout years but you can count sidekick years!"

"But he's too arrogant so his accomplishments shouldn't count!"

"But he said something in an interview that made me feel bad about myself as a fan!"

"But he formed his own team in free agency so his titles shouldn't count!"

"But he boasted about high expectations during a pep rally therefore championships after that pep rally don't count!"

"Losing in the Finals should count against him more than missing the playoffs would have!"


Literally none of these idiot arguments were being used to evaluate NBA players until people started having to desperately find some way to knock Lebron.

No one but Bron fans really respect that 3-1 bullshyt basically when the league helped him get there.

No one gives a fukk except Bron stains.

The question was why do most current NBA players/former players choose Kobe over Lebron and I told you why I believe they do amongst other things.

Lets not even mention losing 4 finals, ring chasing AGAIN, blatant flopping and doing it consistently, his ugly ass game, clowning Dirk only to lose to him, being known by a lot of peoole as a frontrunner, etc.

shyt that NBA players probably don't really respect Compared to someone like Kobe and MJ who didn't do none of that shyt.

And like Kobe didn't have crazier moments and games in his career than a lucky ass 3-1 that he got assisted in. Kobe had nikkas in other gyms calling him MVP for YEARS. When do they do that for Lebron? That was unheard of at the time. He had crazy performances that hadn't never been done or seen. People remember how they felt watching Kobe lead his team from getting blown tf out to beating them with 81 points...

And also the level of competition Kobe played against AND BEAT. Its definitely not even comparable because with all his losses, dude barely faced major competition UNTIL the finals.