Why do cats like Jay Z still make commercial pop singles?

[Methodical]

Nas = True Musician

Jay-Z = Pop Artist

I mean, the history have spoken it. Both of them did nothing wrong, both of them know. I can see why Jay-Z did this and I can see why Nas did this...however we still need them. Once, Nas and Jay-Z gone and the hip-hop shyt is over...trust me.

I am very positive that Nas glad Jay-Z stepped up for hip-hop and I'm very positive that Jay-Z glad Nas stays his true to hip-hop. The point is.....The Hip-Hop need them (Jay-Z and Nas). Once Jay-Z and Nas gone.....HIP-HOP IS DONE.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Nas and Jay-Z would to do an album together before they retired.

 

[J.Pinkman]

This is what I said when I realised Kanye is putting Skrillex on his album. Like he needs to chase the extra few fans he might receive or sales when he puts a dubstep DJ on his album.

 

[DANJ!]

But it's about what you interpret to be "pop" music... I think that whether he's rappin' about hustlin' or his childhood, or about spending money or partyin', all of it comes from him. I don't think you have to make ONE type of music to be an artist. So those "pop" songs could be just as "honest" as his introspective records. I don't think the Empire record was really all that much of an out-of-character commercial reach- the hook was big and it had an anthemic feel, so it took off and became a big hit. And of course he makes records like that, but just because he does those, doesn't mean it's some lack of integrity about them. It's not like he's making Pitbull/FloRida records, or some shyt that sounds like Future and questioning the amount of artistic respect he gets. Even "true artists" look to get paid if they can. Any artist that says they'd turn down opportunities to be recognized and compensated for their art is either lying, or has other means of income and ain't really sweatin' it.

If you hold rappers to every single word they say, and believe that because they said it 15 years ago that they have to stick by it forever, you'll find yourself disappointed more often than not.

 

[Harry B]

This is what I said when I realised Kanye is putting Skrillex on his album. Like he needs to chase the extra few fans he might receive or sales when he puts a dubstep DJ on his album.

Why do you think he's thinking about Dubstep fans and not about dropping dope music? Hiphop has worked with electronic dance music artists and samples since it's birth. People didn't say shyt when everyone was sampling Laroux. Kanye sampled Flux Pavilion and the usual nuts started crying, Kanye working with a non-hiphop producer who is famous and he gets criticized before the shyt drops. But they won't question why he works with people like Jon Brion, or had a couple unknown producers on WTT or Q-Tip, or Pete Rock as well or why he works with Mike Dean or had Rza on WTT that's not something nikkas question. But as soon as he works with someone who is poppin, nikkas are crying again. Smfh.

 

[Harry B]

I dont fukk w/Nas music either, I just find stans hilarious

None of the (often completely fabricated) points or "facts" you put up answer the question of why dude is dropping such weak disks at pretty much the most free point in his career. You just can't wait to defend dude, even when hes wrong. Thats the definition of stanning.

Dude said he didn't want to make pop records but he had to to get his money up. Now he got his money up. He got the world record for most #1 albums. He got all the grammies and mainstream accolades. So why is he still making pop music?

The nikka was venting on that track, I never understood why some people hold certain Jay-z lyrics to the same standard as Einsteins theory of relativity and other parts are just random bullshyt. That quote can be interpreted in a lot of ways. He want to rhyme like Common Sense but instead he'd rather drop timeless classics like Blueprint with club bangers, street anthems that millions of people all over the people enjoy or is he saying he'd rather make pop music like the song with Sean Paul? (which was a 1 time thing). What I can agree on is that he dumbed down his lyrics on a lot of tracks, like everyone else in this game (From Pac to Nas to Andre 3 stacks) even on some of his best tracks shyt is dumbed down, it takes a real nikka to admit that though. He made ignorant gangster music, but the hood nikkas saluted him as god for that.

He's not got all the grammies and mainstream accolades, there is an endless amount of them. It's like saying Lebron has got all the titles, why is he still playing?

He enjoys being a performer of the highest level that's numero uno, he enjoys being a pop star he's about that life he even says he's been a popstar since Reasonable Doubt. BP3 was like I explained for 5 other nikkas in this thread according to HIM, YE and DEON music to be played in arenas, to go and tour with U2, to headline the biggest festivals, to deliver NY Yankees anthems, to reach moufukkers in Budapest or Bangalore.
And what the fukk is pop music, KC, AG, TBA, WTT 4 out of his 5 latest albums had basically no pop music at all. And why is he wrong? He's wrong in your opinion and that makes me a stan? He's right in millions of peoples opinion, so I'm not a stan in their opinion. I might be a stan, but I'm not stanning right now. It's just cocksuckers like you always on my dikk, hunting me down anytime I don't agree with negative criticism of Jay-z. And the threadstarter think songs like Big Pimpin and nikkas in Paris are sellout songs, when they were the illest club hits the year they dropped. It tells me a lot about what type of square ass, stay at home on saturdays and wonder why people are screaming outside type of nikkas I'm dealing with.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Nas = True Musician

Jay-Z = Pop Artist

I mean, the history have spoken it. Both of them did nothing wrong, both of them know. I can see why Jay-Z did this and I can see why Nas did this...however we still need them. Once, Nas and Jay-Z gone and the hip-hop shyt is over...trust me.

I am very positive that Nas glad Jay-Z stepped up for hip-hop and I'm very positive that Jay-Z glad Nas stays his true to hip-hop. The point is.....The Hip-Hop need them (Jay-Z and Nas). Once Jay-Z and Nas gone.....HIP-HOP IS DONE.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Nas and Jay-Z would to do an album together before they retired.

Stay true to hiphop? that means nothing. Nas is no truer to hiphop than anyone else that raps.

The City Is Mine
Sunshine
Girl's Best Friend
Big Pimpin
Money Ain't a Thang
Hey papi
xcuse Me Miss"
Me and my girlfriend
"Change Clothes
Show Me What You Got
Hollywood
"Empire State of Mind"
Forever Young
Ghetto Techno


but truth be told it ain't even just his singles, alot of his album cuts just give off that commercial/I just wanna be accepted by white society vibe


and yeah, Nas dropped a few wack commercial joints and his fans have always looked at him like when he does so. It reminds his fans of the type of music that Jay Z makes and makes them go

Hero and Makes the world go round shoulda never been on Untitled

Why should Jay z make music for Hiphop heads that do not buy albums, do not buy merchandise and do not go to his shows?

Is it wrong that Jay z knows he has fans from all demographics and gives them something to rock with on every single album.

Did you miss this thread? http://www.the-coli.com/booth/26002-why-do-yall-continue-compare-these-rappers-jay-z.html

There is somethign wrong with making them if you complained about making them to make money, and now have money.

Its like... say there was a porn star who did gay porn to get on, built his brand + $$$$, but kept making gay porn 11 years after the fact. Pretty obvious dude likes making gay porn

You take this shyt too serious bruh, chill out.

 

[Harry B]

The worst thing about this thread is square ass nikkas who don't like Jay-z in first place asking why he doesn't make music for them and not for his fans who love the shyt he drops. Do you dudes exist in real life?

 

[J.Pinkman]

Why do you think he's thinking about Dubstep fans and not about dropping dope music? Hiphop has worked with electronic dance music artists and samples since it's birth. People didn't say shyt when everyone was sampling Laroux. Kanye sampled Flux Pavilion and the usual nuts started crying, Kanye working with a non-hiphop producer who is famous and he gets criticized before the shyt drops. But they won't question why he works with people like Jon Brion, or had a couple unknown producers on WTT or Q-Tip, or Pete Rock as well or why he works with Mike Dean or had Rza on WTT that's not something nikkas question. But as soon as he works with someone who is poppin, nikkas are crying again. Smfh.

But I'm guessing, like me, 99% of this board, wants to hear hip-hop from Kanye, not hip-pop bullshyt, which working with Skrillex, will happen (probably worse). Why would anyone question why he worked with RZA on WTT? That ultimately meant we were going to get a hip hop track

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

The nikka was venting on that track, I never understood why some people hold certain Jay-z lyrics to the same standard as Einsteins theory of relativity and other parts are just random bullshyt. That quote can be interpreted in a lot of ways. He want to rhyme like Common Sense but instead he'd rather drop timeless classics like Blueprint with club bangers, street anthems that millions of people all over the people enjoy or is he saying he'd rather make pop music like the song with Sean Paul? (which was a 1 time thing). What I can agree on is that he dumbed down his lyrics on a lot of tracks, like everyone else in this game (From Pac to Nas to Andre 3 stacks) even on some of his best tracks shyt is dumbed down, it takes a real nikka to admit that though. He made ignorant gangster music, but the hood nikkas saluted him as god for that.

So Common doesn't have any classics in his discography

And Pac, Nas, and 3 Stacks went pop, but they stuck to their roots at the same time

He's not got all the grammies and mainstream accolades, there is an endless amount of them. It's like saying Lebron has got all the titles, why is he still playing?

Being an artist != being a competitive athlete

ALL Lebron has to do is get titles, there is much more one can accomplish as an artist

He enjoys being a performer of the highest level that's numero uno, he enjoys being a pop star he's about that life he even says he's been a popstar since Reasonable Doubt. BP3 was like I explained for 5 other nikkas in this thread according to HIM, YE and DEON music to be played in arenas, to go and tour with U2, to headline the biggest festivals, to deliver NY Yankees anthems, to reach moufukkers in Budapest or Bangalore.
And what the fukk is pop music, KC, AG, TBA, WTT 4 out of his 5 latest albums had basically no pop music at all. And why is he wrong? He's wrong in your opinion and that makes me a stan? He's right in millions of peoples opinion, so I'm not a stan in their opinion. I might be a stan, but I'm not stanning right now. It's just cocksuckers like you always on my dikk, hunting me down anytime I don't agree with negative criticism of Jay-z. And the threadstarter think songs like Big Pimpin and nikkas in Paris are sellout songs, when they were the illest club hits the year they dropped. It tells me a lot about what type of square ass, stay at home on saturdays and wonder why people are screaming outside type of nikkas I'm dealing with.

If he enjoys being a pop star, why make tracks like Minority Report & Reminder? Its clear dude is not getting the "respect" he feels he deserves, My question is, either what is he doing to command it, or why is he complaining about shyt he "doesn't care about"? And why the fukk are you on dude's dikk harder than a vein???

 

[Harry B]

But I'm guessing, like me, 99% of this board, wants to hear hip-hop from Kanye, not hip-pop bullshyt, which working with Skrillex, will happen (probably worse). Why would anyone question why he worked with RZA on WTT? That ultimately meant we were going to get a hip hop track

So Who gon stop me was hip-pop bullshyt? Late Registration which was co-produced by a non-hiphop producer was bullshyt? Homecoming and Heard'em say featuring pop singers was hip-pop bullshyt? Lift Off produced with Mike Dean and Q-Tip was better than the "hip-hop bullshyt" Why I love you.

Hiphop has been sampling electronic dance music which came up the same way as hiphop but amongst the homos (still black inner city kids) since the fukking start.

 

[Loose]

because he's a sell out he said it himself that he can rap like common sense

 

[CrimsonTider]

because he's a sell out he said it himself that he can rap like common sense

Define "sell out"

 

[Harry B]

So Common doesn't have any classics in his discography

And Pac, Nas, and 3 Stacks went pop, but they stuck to their roots at the same time


Being an artist != being a competitive athlete

ALL Lebron has to do is get titles, there is much more one can accomplish as an artist


If he enjoys being a pop star, why make tracks like Minority Report & Reminder? Its clear dude is not getting the "respect" he feels he deserves, My question is, either what is he doing to command it, or why is he complaining about shyt he "doesn't care about"? And why the fukk are you on dude's dikk harder than a vein???

The two last sentences is all you need to read

Ah this nikka, this nikka right hereeee. Common has classics, but in 03 he didn't have classics that touched millions of people, the influenced the whole rap game, that had street bangers, club bangers and all those things I mentioned can you read full sentences?

So 3stacks, Pac and Nas stuck to their roots, but Jay is only making pop music, now why the fukk are you a fan of his? Or why the fukk are you analyzing his music if that is the case?

And he enjoys being a pop star who drops the best hiphop music out. He's been a pop star since he put Foxy Brown on Ain't no nikka according to himself. Who the fukk is saying he doesn't care, he's dissing people on Reminder and reminding cocksuckers as yourself who the fukk he is and what does Minority Report got to do with hiphop in any fukking possible way? Finding the balance between have more Grammy's than Michael Jackson, more #1 albums than Elvis, more club bangers than Ludacris, iller freestyles than freestyle rappers, some of the illest lyrical joints of all time and more street anthems than any rappers is kind of a hard task. Why do you demand him to focus on only 1 of these things? Which also happens to be the only thing you seem to appreciate but since you say that he didn't stick to his roots, I don't even know why the fukk you are complaining.

Some of us who might have over a bit older people over for a part or whatever might want to play some hiphop music at this function and we've got songs like Show me what you got, Heart of City, Roc Boys or Empire state of mind. For us who go hard in the clubs might wanna hear some Jay-z in the club and we have all type of songs, or if we want a couple street anthems he got those as well. Him being so well-rounded is a big reason to why people rate him so high. But yeah let's make him change for a few cocksuckers who don't even like him to start with.

And all these artists wanna be pop stars like Jay, you're either like Gza and stay 110% non-pop or you're pop.

 

[DonRe]

I'll say this RD to black album jay is an incredible lyricist top notch even. But from their on out he's wack straight up. He's not saying much of anything worth listening too. Watch the throne was dope but not because of jays lyrics or so called witty wordplay, it was collective with kanye. Jays become a bandwagoner unfortunately. Three kings verse was mediocre. It's sad but the truth.

 

[Cloud McFly]

I'll say this RD to black album jay is an incredible lyricist top notch even. But from their on out he's wack straight up. He's not saying much of anything worth listening too. Watch the throne was dope but not because of jays lyrics or so called witty wordplay, it was collective with kanye. Jays become a bandwagoner unfortunately. Three kings verse was mediocre. It's sad but the truth.

Any person that thinks American Gangster is wack, or that Hov's verses on WTT were weak and unnecessary, can't be taken seriously.