Why do folks say "white people do it too" when you bring up problems in the BLACK community?

[D-NICE]

Yet another person with this bullshyt argument. No, I don't have to give you solutions to fukking common sense problems. And no I don't have to personally fix these issues either. I would be willing to, but why am I personally obligated to fix problems in which I haven't contributed to?

Cause you the one crying about it...

 

[LuckyLibra619]

You're looking at some of these issues in a simple way. The things you mentioned are symptoms of a bigger issue - poverty. If we can successfully tackle poverty, which is a root cause of these issues, then they'll start to diminish. Also, have you ever tried to concentrate in class with an empty stomach? It's not easy, and it's not as simple as "just work hard."

I'm sorry bro but once again Poverty is NOT an excuse to kill your fellow Black man or commit crimes. It's just not and there's no way around it. And does Public School not offer free breakfast and lunch for low-income students? So why would one be starving in the classroom?

 

[LuckyLibra619]

Cause you the one crying about it...

Why can't we just hold ourselves accountable for our actions and do things better?

 

[D-NICE]

Like I and others have said, stats are showing that we are. We aint the ones being naive thinking our issues would be fixed over night. Like I said, if it aint happening as fast as YOU want, then what are YOUR solutions to speed it up?

 

[LuckyLibra619]

Like I and others have said, stats are showing that we are. We aint the ones being naive thinking our issues would be fixed over night. Like I said, if it aint happening as fast as YOU want, then what are YOUR solutions to speed it up?

I love how dudes keep bringing up "Solutions" as one of their many silencing tactics

Once again I don't have to give you solutions to things like not harming people who look like you or using poverty as an excuse to commit crimes. This shyt is retarded.

 

[D-NICE]

I love how dudes keep bringing up "Solutions" as one of their many silencing tactics

Once again I don't have to give you solutions to things like not harming people who look like you or using poverty as an excuse to commit crimes. This shyt is retarded.

Again, for the umpteenth time, crime is going down. You are the one acting like we are living in the 90's when it was 4 times higher than what it is now. Its not going down fast enough for you, so tell me what you got planned to fix it. Whats so difficult about answering that. Hell you could have given the same answer majority of the people on the net do which is they allegedly mentor a couple kids. Aint nobody trying to silence but nobody likes seeing full grown adults keep complaining without putting some action in.

 

[LuckyLibra619]

Again, for the umpteenth time, crime is going down. You are the one acting like we are living in the 90's when it was 4 times higher than what it is now. Its not going down fast enough for you, so tell me what you got planned to fix it. Whats so difficult about answering that. Hell you could have given the same answer majority of the people on the net do which is they allegedly mentor a couple kids. Aint nobody trying to silence but nobody likes seeing full grown adults keep complaining without putting some action in.

Breh, I wasn't complaining for the sake of complaining. All I want for us is to be able to actually talk about these things without people getting called c00ns and getting silenced. That's all.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

I'm sorry bro but once again Poverty is NOT an excuse to kill your fellow Black man or commit crimes. It's just not and there's no way around it. And does Public School not offer free breakfast and lunch for low-income students? So why would one be starving in the classroom?

Of course it's not an excuse, but it's dishonest to ignore the root cause. Like I said above, you're only looking at things in a simple way, and that leads me to believe you aren't interested in honest discussion, just pontificating. Also, wrt to National Free Lunch programs, if I'm not mistaken, they're opt-in programs; also, not all programs offer a free meal. There are some which you pay a reduced cost or pay the majority of cost. Further, that free breakfast or lunch is sometimes the only meal they've eaten.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

I love how dudes keep bringing up "Solutions" as one of their many silencing tactics

Once again I don't have to give you solutions to things like not harming people who look like you or using poverty as an excuse to commit crimes. This shyt is retarded.

It's not that you don't have to, it's that you can't. If we had those solutions no crime would exist - black on black - or otherwise. We do have the tools to diminish those crimes, though.

 

[D-NICE]

Breh, I wasn't complaining for the sake of complaining. All I want for us is to be able to actually talk about these things without people getting called c00ns and getting silenced. That's all.

Im not one to really call people a c00n. What I will say is I think a lot of our image is out of our control. We are overly policed and overly reported. I see people fall into the narrative of we aint doing enough when stats are showing we are. Crime down, education up. We cant expect change overnight. Once those who start graduating in this education growth start getting out and a percentage starts opening their own businesses, hiring other black people, we will get to where we all want to be. Poverty will be down and alot of crimes that are done in our communities will go further down. We all want the best for each other, just cant let the negative images that are portrayed of us continue to be the talking points.

 

[Still Benefited]

Read my posts throughout the thread. I said you cant compare our situation to other races because black people's experience here is unique to us and only us.No one else was property for over 4 centuries. No one else had there culture history traditions and GODs beat out of them. No one else is inundated with negative images of themselves to the degree as black people on a daily basis. Because an immigrant is a minority or a cac fell on hard times doesn't make our situations comparable. We all didnt start at the same place so why are trying to compare their struggles to ours?

You aint owning shyt bruh but some cac ideals about your own people.

I believe this but also have a different view which I toss around in my head...We are simply inherently different from other races,just like they differ from each other and us in different ways....By nature we are more passionate than most races,which would likely make us more prone to violence....Before anybody gets offended by that,lets be clear that violence isn't neccesarily a bad thing in itself,its very natural feeling infact unless you've been domesticated or quote on quote, made to be "civilized".

But who invented guns and then put those guns in our communities? We live in a white society under white laws,dont ever forget that....Who knows,if we lived in a black society with black laws,maybe assault on someone who had it coming isn't even seen as an abhorrent act that puts a black male in jail for life,and has you looked at as an animal....You need to take a long look at why you look at certain things as negatives,and who made it that way.

And I am in no way condoning violence,just because of the stakes and amount of guns and ammunition out there in the world....No matter how natural I might think it is,it cant happen under these circumstances in this time,in this society,under these conditions and be okay....But I also think its important to take in all possibilitys to prevent it....I tell young cats,i understand its a lot of passion,pride,ego,along with the need to be the alpha male bottled up inside inherently within a lot of us...Theres nothing wrong with that,you just need to let them know where they need to focus that energy and why...You put that energy in situations that can lead to violence,and well,it can lead to violence

But who knows,years of conditioning,brainwashing and abuse could've also had an effect on us,where it acts like a shock collar....Because the violence all to often keeps missing the cacs that deserve it

Then again I don't think we naturally could EVER muster up the kindve hate for cacs,that so many of them can naturally muster up for us....The most coldblooded of militants,trained since age 5 that the cracka was the devil, probably could never hate whites,as much as millions of suburban soccer moms,and random hillbillies hate us,with almost 0 training,and without reason.

 

[NoChillJones]

Next on thoughts from a c00n. We explore the complex realities that black problems are not black problems because they are not exclusive to only black people. We also explore how difficult a pill that is to swallow for our self hating brethren who believe that one the black race in America should be apologetic for our entire races actions and two there should be no finger pointers in regards to systematic racism. Stay tuned these c00ns can be very dimwitted and naive

 

[Rarebird77]

Look bruh all I was trying to say was we have problems in our community which no one can speak of without people getting mad. Doesn't this thread prove that? A bunch of deflecting and me getting called a c00n for talking about the things that go on in the Black community. Look Brother, I'm not trying to shame or diss my people. But we have major problems we have to fix, and yes those same problems go on in other communities but not at the same rate. I understand the odds are stacked against us but there are things we can do to help ourselves. That's all I'm saying bro. Am I wrong for saying Black men shouldn't be killing other Black men at the rate we do? Was I wrong for saying that there is no reason our communities are filled with litter? Is it wrong to wonder why we can't live among one another in peace?

People just don't want to hear shyt like that, they would rather just pretend it doesn't exist. We have to work together, NO ONE will help us besides ourselves. Well, I hope you understand my message more clearly now bro.

I agree with you.

I for the life of me can't understand why some black people get so sensitive when issues are brought up.

It's so counterproductive.

I don't use white people as my ruler to measure actions against so I could care less what they are and aren't doing.

I'm also happy to know we are making progress.
We need to make more, namely working on rebuilding black communities to be as strong as they once where.

Some of these issues are issues of poverty though. The difference in social class within the black community might be part of the reason some point out that "white people do it to". The black middle class seems to really measure themselves against their white counterparts for some reason. .

They also don't want to be associated with black poverty and in some ways shouldn't. Inner city issues, poverty issues aren't affecting us all equally you know.

So I guest, first define what black community you're discussing, the urban poor, the black working and middle class, etc Then figure out what issues actually apply you know.

For example, the black middle class probably isn't suffering from issues of violence, but the stigma of being like the urban poor, which is why they point out that "white people do it to" to deflect and distance themselves from the stigma.

There are issues within the black middle class though, deep ones that never get addressed because many are still trying to distance themselves from the above so can't focus on other problems.

 

[n00bsauce]

What problems are there that disproportionally(sp?) affect black people in America?

If you said racist cops and other authority figures making life harder for them, then I agree.

But shooting other black people isn't a black issue problem. Especially when it's a small small number.

What you should be saying not enough legitimate ways of getting money is a problem affecting black people.

 

[Cel 510 kid ados forever]

Cause the black community has been victimized for years. There not too great at being accountable. So they like to say others do it too as a deflection. White Asians etc. Are more balanced than black people they have ratchet but they have a lot of regular folks. We have no standards in the black community the good blacks never differentiate from the bad. So u sell a false stereotype that u all the same