Why do Muslims feel the need to respond violently to everything which "offends" Islam

[Chris.B]

Even IN revelations, there is no claim to divinity. Christian Doctrine is totally wrong for claiming Jesus is God, because Jesus out of his own mouth never made any claims to divinity, and you have yet to prove it.

Question to you, why do you call Jesus good, when nobody is good but god alone?

Why were you quoting John, The Author of revelation to make your earlier point?

Somehow the Gospel of John is more valid than Revelations?:obama3:

Newsflash to you playboi, You don't get to dictate which one of John's books is valid.

ALPHA and OMEGA means beginning and the end. Jesus Christ Claims these titles in Revelations.

Arguments can even be made the book of revelation is probably the most important book in the Bible.

Now since you have declared Christian doctrine false lets talk Islam.... I knew you were a all along. Just wanted confirmation.

let's talk Muhammad and his pedophilia. I refuse to believe a man who sleeps with a 9 year old girl can be a prophet of anyone let alone God.

He appeared conveniently years after Christ and somehow he will be he last prophet.

Don't tell me you believe this bull. There is no scientific evidence/archeological data to back up Muhammad.

Everytime you date something, you acknowledge the existence of Christ AD/BC

 

[Broke Wave]

Why were you quoting John, The Author of revelation to make your earlier point?

Somehow the Gospel of John is more valid than Revelations?:obama3:

Newsflash to you playboi, You don't get to dictate which one of John's books is valid.

ALPHA and OMEGA means beginning and the end. Jesus Christ Claims these titles in Revelations.

Arguments can even be made the book of revelation is probably the most important book in the Bible.

Now since you have declared Christian doctrine false lets talk Islam.... I knew you were a all along. Just wanted confirmation.

let's talk Muhammad and his pedophilia. I refuse to believe a man who sleeps with a 9 year old girl can be a prophet of anyone let alone God.

He appeared conveniently years after Christ and somehow he will be he last prophet.

Don't tell me you believe this bull. There is no scientific evidence/archeological data to back up Muhammad.

Everytime you date something, you acknowledge the existence of Christ AD/BC

You didn't answer any of my questions. You are obviously deflecting right now and it is kind of sad. You haven't answered any of my questions, and you'll need to understand that in order to have a "debate", you'll need to respond to a questions after an answer. I asked you two simple questions.

1. Why do you call Jesus good, when only God is good?

2. Is David the son of God?

Answer that and we can continue, if not, sorry.

 

[Chris.B]

You didn't answer any of my questions. You are obviously deflecting right now and it is kind of sad. You haven't answered any of my questions, and you'll need to understand that in order to have a "debate", you'll need to respond to a questions after an answer. I asked you two simple questions.

1. Why do you call Jesus good, when only God is good?

2. Is David the son of God?

Answer that and we can continue, if not, sorry.

I see you bailing once I turned the tables on Islam

I wouldn't want to discuss Muhammad and his pedophilia if I were you either and the Jihad quotes I was about to serve up.

You refuse to understand TRINITY. You will never get the Christian God till you understand Trinity and I have provided many quotes.

Let's talk Islam now that you have declared Christianity false.

How do you feel about Muhammad and his relationship with Aisha?

 

[Broke Wave]

I see you bailing once I turned the tables on Islam

I wouldn't want to discuss Muhammad and his pedophilia if I were you either and the Jihad quotes I was about to serve up.

You refuse to understand TRINITY. You will never get the Christian God till you understand Trinity and I have provided many quotes.

Let's talk Islam now that you have declared Christianity false.

How do you feel about Muhammad and his relationship with Aisha?

I asked you 2 simple questions, all you have to do is answer them ,and I'll talk in depth about Aisha and Muhammed, hows that?

1. Why do you call Jesus good?

2. Is David the son of God?

 

[Chris.B]

I asked you 2 simple questions, all you have to do is answer them ,and I'll talk in depth about Aisha and Muhammed, hows that?

How many questions answered in this thread? Only one person has been answering questions in this thread and it's not you....about time somelse did some answering of questions.

You quote one book of John to make your point and turn around and call his other book(revelations) fake :obama3:

You are doing yourself no favors right now.

If Revelation is a fraud like you claim then all your previous quotes from John are not valid either

Your prophet was a pedophile and established a demonic religion based on some radical agenda.

Most Muslim countries are hell on earth. They hate the west but want to live in the west :obama3:

There is no science to back him up.
Check your calender, the existence of Christ is already confirmed. AD/BC

 

[Broke Wave]

How many questions answered in this thread? Only one person has been answering questions in this thread and it's not you....about time somelse did some answering of questions.

You quote one book of John to make your point and turn around and call his other book(revelations) fake :obama3:

You are doing yourself no favors right now.

If Revelation is a fraud like you claim then all your previous quotes from John are not valid either

Your prophet was a pedophile and established a demonic religion based on some radical agenda.

Most Muslim countries are hell on earth. They hate the west but want to live in the west :obama3:

There is no science to back him up.
Check your calender, the existence of Christ is already confirmed. AD/BC

Lol, so you refuse to answer 2 questions, in exchange for an answer for 2 questions? You're all over the place here man, you sound kind of enraged.

A quote from Martin Luther, about the book of Revelations, the founder of the Protestant movement that you follow!

In the preface to the German translation of Revelation that he composed in 1522, he said that he did not consider the book prophetic or apostolic, since "Christ is neither taught nor known in it."]

So how about we go back to our adult discussion, ok?

2 questions, 2 answers, then 2 questions 2 answers, ok?

1. Why do you call Jesus good, when only God is good?

2. Is David the son of God?

Answer these for me, I'll answer 2 of your questions, ok?

 

[Black Magisterialness]

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Jesus = the Word, the manifestation of God's will. They are the same and separate at the same time. Think of it like how "you" the person and "your soul" are sometimes separate and yet somehow the same thing.

 

[Broke Wave]

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Jesus = the Word, the manifestation of God's will. They are the same and separate at the same time. Think of it like how "you" the person and "your soul" are sometimes separate and yet somehow the same thing.

Thanks for your contribution friend.

When talking about the NT, which is a great book, we have to always ask, WHO IS SPEAKING, and more importantly, WHO IS THE AUTHOR.

1. Who is speaking here? This is apparently the disciple John.

2. The author is John.

IF we've established that Jesus, nor the Father said this (according to the sources), what does this have to do with the reality, if a non-prophet said it? This is not a narration from Jesus himself, which is the premise of my arguments. What is the validity of this interpretation from John as to the true nature of divinity? It's literally just the supposed words of a man... I give more validity to the supposed words of Jesus because at least then it is not commentary, but diction.

 

[Chris.B]

Lol, so you refuse to answer 2 questions, in exchange for an answer for 2 questions? You're all over the place here man, you sound kind of enraged.

A quote from Martin Luther, about the book of Revelations, the founder of the Protestant movement that you follow!



So how about we go back to our adult discussion, ok?

2 questions, 2 answers, then 2 questions 2 answers, ok?

1. Why do you call Jesus good, when only God is good?

2. Is David the son of God?

Answer these for me, I'll answer 2 of your questions, ok?

1. Why do you call Jesus good, when only God is good?
Jesus is God

See Trinity

2. Is David the son of God?
Every Christian is a child of God.

So now Martin Luther is the speaker for all Christians..You can't even be serious with that quote
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Martin Luther gave his opinion.
You should read up on why the Lutheran church numbers declined quicker than it rose.

The book of revelation is another book by John. If it is not valid all your previous quotes are not valid either

Martin Luther is entitled to his own opinion. Lutheran's don't even preach the Martin Lutheran doctrine on Jews in Germany. I guess I should follow his sermons on the stuff he said about Jewish people too? right?

Again I will assume you were not serious with that quote. It defies logic.

 

[Broke Wave]

1. Why do you call Jesus good, when only God is good?
Jesus is God

See Trinity

2. Is David the son of God?
Every Christian is a child of God.

So now Martin Luther is the speaker for all Christians..You can't even be serious with that quote
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Martin Luther gave his opinion.
You should read up on why the Lutheran church numbers declined quicker than it rose.

The book of revelation is another book by John. If it is not valid all your previous quotes are not valid either

Martin Luther is entitled to his own opinion. Lutheran's don't even preach the Martin Lutheran doctrine on Jews in Germany. I guess I should follow his sermons on the stuff he said about Jewish people too? right?

Again I will assume you were not serious with that quote. It defies logic.

See we are ALMOST back to the discussion of gentlemen.

1. You cannot say "See trinity" That's a horrible cop out. Explain that for me, why is Jesus telling you NOT to call HIM good, but call GOD good?

Mark 10:18

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

2. Perfect. We came to an agreement! Claims to be the Son of God are not specific claims (I.E. He is my father, etc) but HONORIFIC TITLES! This means we agree!!! Excellent man!

Of course the books of John are not Valid... that's why I don't follow... them I'm simply pointing out the hypocritical in the books of John. I'm giving the NT the benefit of the doubt because I don't think that anyone would have really tried to deliberately twist the actual words of Jesus but a lot of the Bible was written by a man who didn't even meet Jesus.

Now in the sake of fairness, ask me any amount of questions you'd like about Islam or challenge any of my claims, however, if you're going to quote me, please be prepared to answer my opening rebuttal to "God is Good" , then go ahead.

 

[Chris.B]

See we are ALMOST back to the discussion of gentlemen.

1. You cannot say "See trinity" That's a horrible cop out. Explain that for me, why is Jesus telling you NOT to call HIM good, but call GOD good?

Mark 10:18


2. Perfect. We came to an agreement! Claims to be the Son of God are not specific claims (I.E. He is my father, etc) but HONORIFIC TITLES! This means we agree!!! Excellent man!

Of course the books of John are not Valid... that's why I don't follow... them I'm simply pointing out the hypocritical in the books of John. I'm giving the NT the benefit of the doubt because I don't think that anyone would have really tried to deliberately twist the actual words of Jesus but a lot of the Bible was written by a man who didn't even meet Jesus.

Now in the sake of fairness, ask me any amount of questions you'd like about Islam or challenge any of my claims, however, if you're going to quote me, please be prepared to answer my opening rebuttal to "God is Good" , then go ahead.

Tap dancing as usual....

ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION.

Why would God appoint a pedophile as a prophet?

You thought you were being smart with the John quotes till you just found out revelation is another book by John and you try to redeem yourself with a Martin Luther quote? :jada:

If you knew what he said about Jews you will refrain from quoting him.

Once you explain to me why a grown 'prophet' will sleep with a 9 year old girl.
We will talk Jihad.

Qur'an 9:29 " Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not refrain from what has been prohibited by Allah and His Messenger and do not embrace the religion of truth (Al-Islam), until they pay Jizya (protection tax) with their own hands and feel themselves subdued."

Qur'an 8:65 "O Prophet, rouse the believers to fight. If there are twenty among you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."

A religion which supports the slaughter of non-believers can't be from God.

 

[Broke Wave]

Tap dancing as usual....

ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION.

Why would God appoint a pedophile as a prophet?

You thought you were being smart with the John quotes till you just found out revelation is another book by John and you try to redeem yourself with a Martin Luther quote? :jada:

If you knew what he said about Jews you will refrain from quoting him.

Once you explain to me why a grown 'prophet' will sleep with a 9 year old girl.
We will talk Jihad.



A religion which supports the slaughter of non-believers can't be from God.

John quotes are not what I like... I like Jesus quotes... some Jesus quotes are in... you guessed it, books authored by John

Golly did you see how that worked out?

Martin Luther shared the same opinion as me on Revelations and he was a Christian Zealot of YOUR denomination... that should be telling. Speaking of the John Quotes, can you please tell me why Jesus said that? Why did he say don't call me good, call GOD good. Is he not God?

I know you'll ignore that, so let me move onto Islam for the readers sake.


1. Age of Aisha

Since there was no strong historgraphy at that time, let me let you in on a little secret... NOBODY can be 100% sure how Old Aisha was at the time of her consummation. There are some opinions from 9 to 11, and some saying 16-19

Consequently, her age at the time of the Nikah in the tenth year of the Call works out to 14-15 years and not 6 years, as Nadvi himself so assertively reported. According to this account, Hazrat ‘Aishah’s age at the time of consummation of her marriage in 2 A.H. works out to 19-20 years and not 9 years as stated in earlier pages of Seerat-i-Aishah. A further enquiry is most naturally necessitated to find out which of the reports of Nadvi should be given credence.

But lets work on your assumption, ok? Women in Ancient Arabia, including young ones, were married off to men at young ages due to the shortness of their lives and the practice of burying young girls at birth (which was very common before the life of Muhammed) made their lives even more difficult. As such, and was common in the entire ancient world, many girls we're married off to husbands as soon as their height and breasts developed, I.E. Puberty. Once they were able to have children, they we're suitable for marriage.

For example, Mary, Mother of Jesus, was actually 12 years old when she had Jesus. There is historical biblical records that you would ascribe to (I don't) that show even more younger marriages (some as young as 3) being allowed in the OT.

As for the Verse of Jihad, you must understand the timeline for the revelation of the Quran. It was not all revealed at once, and this Verse was revealed to Muhammed before a battle. It was instruction on what to do in this situation. Therefore it must be read in CONTEXT, which is a difficult word for you to understand apparently.

As far as 8:65 the verse on fighting, you realize that half of Jihad is... fighting with your words? He was fighting the idea of polytheism, that is a Jihad... For they are a people who lack UNDERSTANDING. This is a verse about preaching.

I have a question, however, about peace and Jihad... did Jesus come to bring world peace?

Let me answer that for you, in fact, he did NOT. He came , according to him, to bring a SWORD.

Matthew 10:34

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

That's strange indeed... maybe it's because a true creator God wouldn't ignore the immediate reality and necessity of violence

 

[Hulk Hogan]

a true creator God wouldn't ignore the immediate reality and necessity of violence

AN OMNIPOTENCE WOULD NOT HEED IMMEDIACY OR NECESSITY, BROTHER! SO THE HULKSTER HAS TO WONDER WHY PEOPLE INSIST THAT THIS OR THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN FOR A GOD'S PLAN TO CARRY ON, DUDE!

 

[Chris.B]

John quotes are not what I like... I like Jesus quotes... some Jesus quotes are in... you guessed it, books authored by John

Golly did you see how that worked out?

Martin Luther shared the same opinion as me on Revelations and he was a Christian Zealot of YOUR denomination... that should be telling. Speaking of the John Quotes, can you please tell me why Jesus said that? Why did he say don't call me good, call GOD good. Is he not God?

I know you'll ignore that, so let me move onto Islam for the readers sake.


1. Age of Aisha

Since there was no strong historgraphy at that time, let me let you in on a little secret... NOBODY can be 100% sure how Old Aisha was at the time of her consummation. There are some opinions from 9 to 11, and some saying 16-19



But lets work on your assumption, ok? Women in Ancient Arabia, including young ones, were married off to men at young ages due to the shortness of their lives and the practice of burying young girls at birth (which was very common before the life of Muhammed) made their lives even more difficult. As such, and was common in the entire ancient world, many girls we're married off to husbands as soon as their height and breasts developed, I.E. Puberty. Once they were able to have children, they we're suitable for marriage.

For example, Mary, Mother of Jesus, was actually 12 years old when she had Jesus. There is historical biblical records that you would ascribe to (I don't) that show even more younger marriages (some as young as 3) being allowed in the OT.

As for the Verse of Jihad, you must understand the timeline for the revelation of the Quran. It was not all revealed at once, and this Verse was revealed to Muhammed before a battle. It was instruction on what to do in this situation. Therefore it must be read in CONTEXT, which is a difficult word for you to understand apparently.

I have a question, however, about peace and Jihad... did Jesus come to bring world peace?

Let me answer that for you, in fact, he did NOT. He came , according to him, to bring a SWORD.

Matthew 10:34



That's strange indeed... maybe it's because a true creator God wouldn't ignore the immediate reality and necessity of violence

You are defending the pedophile Muhammad and that fact he actually raped Aisha(9)


You somehow deflect Jihad and point to a Christian quote

Boston bombers says they did it for Islam. I wasn't shocked when I found out Islam was involved. Most people have come to associate Islam with barbaric and uncivilized behaviors.

How can someone drop bombs next to an 8 year old kid and claim he is doing God's work?

Can't Allah punish the infidels himself?

Qur'an 9:123 "O believers! Fight the unbelievers who hem you in, to let them know how strong you are; you should know that Allah is on the side of the Godfearing."

Qur'an 9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and struggle in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? If it is so, then you should know that the comforts of this life are little compared to the life of the hereafter.."

Qur'an 3:156 "If you are slain, or die, in Allah's Cause [as a syahid], pardon from Allah and mercy are far better than all they could amass."

These Jihad quotes are very disturbing. The "religion of peace" is straight from the pit of hell.

 

[Broke Wave]

AN OMNIPOTENCE WOULD NOT HEED IMMEDIACY OR NECESSITY, BROTHER! SO THE HULKSTER HAS TO WONDER WHY PEOPLE INSIST THAT THIS OR THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN FOR A GOD'S PLAN TO CARRY ON, DUDE!

This is a more interesting challenge than the one posed by this deluded Polytheist.

I never said that God "needed" anything, and God's plan is individual from God. God's plan is not omnipotent, however it is in his omnipotence that he has the foreknowledge to fulfill such a plan. Therefore a true final revelation from God would not ignore human nature or circumstance. Your question is that if God is truly perfect, why wouldn't he just instantly press a button and get people to his straight path. This is a question that I don't have an answer to, but it seems to be linked with the idea of "Free-Will", as it is mentioned in various religious texts. But the overall question of "why?" I don't know or claim to know.

You are defending the pedophile Muhammad and that fact he actually raped Aisha(9)


You somehow deflect Jihad and point to a Christian quote

Boston bombers says they did for Islam. I wasn't shocked when I found out Islam was involved. Most people have come to associate Islam with barbaric and uncivilized behaviors.

How can someone drop bombs next to an 8 year old kid and claim he is doing Gods work?

Can't Allah punish the infidels himself?



These Jihad quotes are very disturbing. The "religion of peace" is straight from the pit of hell.

Islam is not a religion of peace... peace can be unjust or as a result of injustice, and conversely Islam is not a religion of war... I don't know who made this claim, and trying to talk about Muslims actions with regards to Islam is the shallowest level of discussion... I thought we we're talking about theology?

This is certainly an L for you my friend because you have changed the subject at least 15 times, hopefully this makes you evaluate your faith and really study your holy books.