As time goes on rappers like Rakim, Cube, Kane, LL Cool J, G Rap, Chuck D, and KRS get no love in the goat talk. Some of the biggest contributors to the culture no longer get love as time goes on. Soon that late 80s era will be totally forgotten. Hip hop will begin with 2pac and Biggie then go from there. I think other rappers and crews in-between will start to get lost in the sauce as well. Do dudes really remember how dope Redman used be? When people talk about the best group they rarely mention A tribe called quest...it's always OutKast.
Why do people act like rap before 1994 doesn't exist?
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Mobb Deep is better than Outkast and thats widely accepted and acknowledged on here.
I completely agree with your point about the early 90s and 80s. It’s a shame how that era is being wrote out of the history books.
Its because 94 is when ICP started to take off
murksiderock
Superstar
I was lamenting this not too long ago myself. There was a coordinated industry push to label the 90s as the "golden era" even back then, and as soon as the decade flipped people were talking about GOAT era. It's the industry narrative and we have to wear that sin for burying some of our greats in deference. And to be honest, while 90s was dope, it definitely is overrated...
I was listening to AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted the other day. One of the best albums ever...
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Mobb Deep is better than Outkast and thats widely accepted and acknowledged on here.
I completely agree with your point about the early 90s and 80s. It’s a shame how that era is being wrote out of the history books.
Is that really accepted here? Alota nikkas are wrong lol...
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
Simply frame of reference. You have to have people who are ~43-60 in the conversation to really get a knowledgeable input on the role those folks played, but as the “talking heads” continue to come from later generations, it makes sense that they get left out, I mean, I’m seeing this even with 92-00 guys at this point, reverance for them is diminishing, the only thing that keeps them around is that they were benefactors of the commercial golden age for rap so they earned a shyt ton of money and album sales, so you’re forced to acknowledge them. They also put out music longer than those from the pre-94 class except for LL who was pretty active from 84-09
onelastdeath
Banned
Because low key, the same shyt these (now) old heads do the the pre 94 rappers, is the same shyt that they claim kids do to them now
Brush them off
Don’t respect them
“Oh it’s different”
No goat talk
Instead of accepting an obvious culture change and a shift in direction, they shyt on those kurtis blow era nikkas heavy.
Brush them off
Don’t respect them
“Oh it’s different”
No goat talk
Instead of accepting an obvious culture change and a shift in direction, they shyt on those kurtis blow era nikkas heavy.
it's interesting because i was sent a youtube video of today's teenagers reacting to 90's hip hop music and one of them said that biggie and pac were the fathers of rap. i was like wtf?!? lol
i'm not saying that you HAVE to put rakim or kane in your goat talk to be official. like @dora_da_destroyer said you have to consider their ages and what they grew up on. my issue is the lack of acknowledgement for pre biggie & pac acts that molded hip hop as we hear it today
shout out to netflix for airing the hip hop evolution piece, watched it with my younger sister who is a 90s baby and she really enjoyed it. there was a lot of stuff she didn't know. granted they have the internet but it can be daunting and time consuming especially when you don't even know who or what you're looking for, or how to even put it in any context when you find it
i acknowledge that i'm an old head weirdo who can listen to utfo then turn around and bump that new migos. can't expect everybody to follow suit. but damn to ignore a whole decade and a half of influential music & artists is crazy to me
i'm not saying that you HAVE to put rakim or kane in your goat talk to be official. like @dora_da_destroyer said you have to consider their ages and what they grew up on. my issue is the lack of acknowledgement for pre biggie & pac acts that molded hip hop as we hear it today
shout out to netflix for airing the hip hop evolution piece, watched it with my younger sister who is a 90s baby and she really enjoyed it. there was a lot of stuff she didn't know. granted they have the internet but it can be daunting and time consuming especially when you don't even know who or what you're looking for, or how to even put it in any context when you find it
i acknowledge that i'm an old head weirdo who can listen to utfo then turn around and bump that new migos. can't expect everybody to follow suit. but damn to ignore a whole decade and a half of influential music & artists is crazy to me
nah no way did us old heads dismiss the old school acts when we were younger
- snoop remade la di da di
- afrika baby bam named himself after bambaataa
- kurupt said rakim is his idol
- jay z has given love to cold crush, g rap and of course his mentor kane
- biggie shouted out rappin duke on juicy
- nas remade kurtis blow if i ruled the world to a whodini beat for chrissakes lol
I still see Rakim and Ice Cube get their props. They still appear in Top 5-10 lists. Sometimes, KRS is brought up. Kane is someone I don't see much now.
LL Cool J is a name that is glossed over even though he had some relevance early last decade. A lot of people dismiss him for several reasons:
1) leaning more towards the lady/R&B joints
2) that "Accidental Racist" song
^^^ I still think LL's work speaks loud enough to where he still should be in a Top 10 list. Yeah, he had some duds, but he's the blueprint for so much.
Chuck D doesn't get as much props now either. He should get more. Slick Rick is a name that I don't see much anymore either.
LL Cool J is a name that is glossed over even though he had some relevance early last decade. A lot of people dismiss him for several reasons:
1) leaning more towards the lady/R&B joints
2) that "Accidental Racist" song
^^^ I still think LL's work speaks loud enough to where he still should be in a Top 10 list. Yeah, he had some duds, but he's the blueprint for so much.
Chuck D doesn't get as much props now either. He should get more. Slick Rick is a name that I don't see much anymore either.
people whose opinion i respect know it started before 94.
i gotta say that NWA/Cube, Public Enemy, Rakim, KRS, Big Daddy Kane, KOOLGRAP all get their props still. i do agree a lot of other pioneers get over looked though.
also if you expecting these microwave brain kids these days to know anything about the 80s then you're expecting too much. most of em don't know shyt about the 94 legends, lol.
i gotta say that NWA/Cube, Public Enemy, Rakim, KRS, Big Daddy Kane, KOOLGRAP all get their props still. i do agree a lot of other pioneers get over looked though.
also if you expecting these microwave brain kids these days to know anything about the 80s then you're expecting too much. most of em don't know shyt about the 94 legends, lol.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
It’s no different than us, how many people in their 30’s and under can really name and say they listen to tons of artists from before the 60’s (for some folks it’s as late as the 80’s)? You can’t expect younger people to have knowledge of or care to have knowledge of the folks who were at the beginning of rap, same way the average person doesn’t care about who was at the beginning of r&b/soul music. Yes, music lovers, those who had older siblings or parents who are really into music might have more knowledge, but the average 15 year old has no desire to care about anything a decade or more older than them.
I’ll say most my knowledge of 80’s rap is due to having older brothers, had it not been for them, I’d pretty much only care about rap from 92 to present.