Why do people act like rap before 1994 doesn't exist?

[old boy]

It’s no different than us, how many people in their 30’s and under can really name and say they listen to tons of artists from before the 60’s (for some folks it’s as late as the 80’s)? You can’t expect younger people to have knowledge of or care to have knowledge of the folks who were at the beginning of rap, same way the average person doesn’t care about who was at the beginning of r&b/soul music. Yes, music lovers, those who had older siblings or parents who are really into music might have more knowledge, but the average 15 year old has no desire to care about anything a decade or more older than them.

I’ll say most my knowledge of 80’s rap is due to having older brothers, had it not been for them, I’d pretty much only care about rap from 92 to present.

well no i wouldn't expect someone in their 30s to name or listen to a lot of artists from the fifties era, that would be unrealistic. but i'm pretty sure they know who ray charles or billie holiday is right?


and they would also understand that black soul music didn't begin with stevie wonder, michael jackson or jodeci i'm sure


as for you i understand being concerned with hip hop from 1992 on, that's what appeals to you most & i ain't even mad. but look at rock music and their depth of knowledge when it comes to their history. the beatles, beach boys, bob dylan, the ramones, and queen are studied and all get love today. we must acknowledge hip hop history with the same reverence that they do

 

[Maximus Rex]

shyt was trash

 

[onelastdeath]

nah no way did us old heads dismiss the old school acts when we were younger

- snoop remade la di da di
- afrika baby bam named himself after bambaataa
- kurupt said rakim is his idol
- jay z has given love to cold crush, g rap and of course his mentor kane
- biggie shouted out rappin duke on juicy
- nas remade kurtis blow if i ruled the world to a whodini beat for chrissakes lol

I’m talking about culturally.

nikkas today do the same things, they pay homage too.

Culturally
Y’all clowned them perms
Clowned the tight leather pants
Clowned the way they rapped (that run DMC-LL fun stuff got phased out for gangsta rap.

At the end of the day 90s cats clowned this

And that entire hip hipotty hop bang bang boogie shyt in for this

I mean it was a natural progression and all but still vastly different from what was the norm. 90s nikkas ‘took’ hip hop far more than today’s kids did and are responsible for the amount of violence and gun rap , drug raps and gang raps that are still around. Before the 90snikkaas came, that was barely a thing. Y’all were the first kids to hijack the culture from older heads and phase them out.

Necessary evolution and in hindsight the right choice, but you know it still happened.

Y’all act like gate keepers of the genre when in fact y’all are the SECOND generation.

The only difference between now and then? Y’all think y’all was right. And y’all think the kids today wrong. The same shyt that the 90s nikkas did, happened again. Y’all just on the other side of it.

 

[DaHNIC82]

Because low key, the same shyt these (now) old heads do the the pre 94 rappers, is the same shyt that they claim kids do to them now

Brush them off
Don’t respect them
“Oh it’s different”
No goat talk

Instead of accepting an obvious culture change and a shift in direction, they shyt on those kurtis blow era nikkas heavy.

Many old heads got love in the 90s for their accolades.

 

[onelastdeath]

Thats a lie.. Many old heads got love in the 90s for their accolades.

Read my post above this one

 

[onelastdeath]

Most hip hop fans grew up in the 90’s

Says who?

 

[DaHNIC82]

I’m talking about culturally.

nikkas today do the same things, they pay homage too.

Culturally
Y’all clowned them perms
Clowned the tight leather pants
Clowned the way they rapped (that run DMC-LL fun stuff got phased out for gangsta rap.

At the end of the day 90s cats clowned this

And that entire hip hipotty hop bang bang boogie shyt in for this

I mean it was a natural progression and all but still vastly different from what was the norm. 90s nikkas ‘took’ hip hop far more than today’s kids did and are responsible for the amount of violence and gun rap , drug raps and gang raps that are still around. Before the 90snikkaas came, that was barely a thing. Y’all were the first kids to hijack the culture from older heads and phase them out.

Necessary evolution and in hindsight the right choice, but you know it still happened.

I aint never heard one nikka come out saying Fukk Kurtis Blow, Run DMC, or Slick Rick on a record or a interview like nikkas do today on some troll shyt. If they dropped wack records then they were chastized for that but we never heard Naughty by Nature say Fukk Chuck D or none of that.



LL didnt get phased out. He was getting respect from the young bulls for putting on tracks like I Shot Ya and 4,3,2,1. He dropped a dud but he finished the 90s strong.

Kool G Rap was embraced by Big Pun

Mobb Deep put Rakim on Hoodlum

Channel Zero put KRS on their joint

Run DMC always got respect as pioneers and Queens Day was a prime example

Tragedy Khadafi was embraced by Mobb and CNN

Most of that shyt came from fans themselves never the rappers.

 

[onelastdeath]

I aint never heard one nikka come out saying Fukk Kurtis Blow, Run DMC, or Slick Rick on a record or a interview like nikkas do today on some troll shyt. If they dropped wack records then they were chastized for that but we never heard Naughty by Nature say Fukk Chuck D or none of that.



LL didnt get phased out. He was getting respect from the young bulls for putting on tracks like I Shot Ya and 4,3,2,1. He dropped a dud but he finished the 90s strong.

Kool G Rap was embraced by Big Pun

Mobb Deep put Rakim on Hoodlum

Channel Zero put KRS on their joint

Run DMC always got respect as pioneers and Queens Day was a prime example

Tragedy Khadafi was embraced by Mobb and CNN

Most of that shyt came from fans themselves never the rappers.

Lol you 90s dudes kill me Breh.

Truth is the 90s was like (3?) generations ago? Y’all get mad at kids born in 2002 not knowing PAC songs and shyt.

 

[old boy]

@onelastdeath

gangsta rap didn't phase out the run dmc style of rapping, it was actually rakim. after rakim him everything changed in rap. cool j adapted on walking with a panther on songs like nitro & why do you think they call it dope but run dmc couldn't or weren't willing to follow suit

as for the fashion part of your post, older generations' fashion always gets clowned by young'ns and has nothing to do with acknowledging them musically like we're discussing now


drug and gang raps actually began in the late eighties with ice-t and n.w.a not the 90s.... who by the way were both influenced by 80s philly rapper schooly d but that's neither here nor there. again it doesn't speak to hip hop pioneers not being acknowledged. we definitely gave credence to herc, flash, and the zulu nation

 

[onelastdeath]

@onelastdeath

gangsta rap didn't phase out the run dmc style of rapping, it was actually rakim. after rakim him everything changed in rap. cool j adapted on walking with a panther on songs like nitro & why do you think they call it dope but run dmc couldn't or weren't willing to follow suit

as for the fashion part of your post, older generations' fashion always gets clowned by young'ns and has nothing to do with acknowledging them musically like we're discussing now


drug and gang raps actually began in the late eighties with ice-t and n.w.a not the 90s.... who by the way were both influenced by 80s philly rapper schooly d but that's neither here nor there. again it doesn't speak to hip hop pioneers not being acknowledged. we definitely gave credence to herc, flash, and the zulu nation

Thanks for the knowledge

Rep

 

[DANJ!]

This thread is gonna be straight laughs, with lots of misinformation. but I'ma enjoy reading it...

 

[DANJ!]

Most hip hop fans grew up in the 90’s

So anything pre-94 was a mirage, huh... MFs were doing tours, selling millions, video shows, etc... but there were no fans... bet...

 

[onelastdeath]

So anything pre-94 was a mirage, huh... MFs were doing tours, selling millions, video shows, etc... but there were no fans... bet...

It’s your time to shine breh

 

[surv2syn]

my opinion is, because rap is so different and diverse from other genres, later generations wont have the appreciation to go back and listen like we did to R&B/Jazz. I grew up listening to the Jacksons, I kinda caught the tail end of the Temps. but when you go back and listen you truly appreciate the genius. to me you couldnt tell me the Jacksons werent the greatest group of all time, but as I got older, groups like the Temps blew them out the water as far as catalogue, group or solo. (aside from Mike of course)

although we had legendary rap artists back then, just doesnt seem like their legacy is kept alive like R&B and Jazz artists. Like look at how many movies we have about other genres. Hell, even UNSUNG...which they are getting some great rap tributes on there now, but how many millennials watch UNSUNG? you got people like Sam Smith saying he dont like Michael Jackson....so think about introducing Rakim to younger generations. The NWA movie did help though but you had to be there to understand the impact and the genius.

 

[mobbinfms]

I’m not saying Kast isn’t legendary :Peasy:
But the Mobb got them. And it’s not even close :prodigylol2:
Ok it’s close but the Mobb gets the W :PHandsup: