Why do Public Sector unions exist?

[OfTheCross]

Just curious but why not government? While I understand some of the unions are at times over the top, many of the same employee/management issues exist.

Hmm..I don't disagree, but I can't think if any at the moment that would require a Union to resolve. Can you give me an example?

edit: oh, and to answer your question, Government work, to me, is like volunteer work. You do it for the public good, although you get paid less. Ideally.

 

[Corny Batman]

you get paid less. Ideally.

 

[Wargames]

Hmm..I don't disagree, but I can't think if any at the moment that would require a Union to resolve. Can you give me an example?

edit: oh, and to answer your question, Government work, to me, is like volunteer work. You do it for the public good, although you get paid less. Ideally.

No offense, but fukk you man. As a child of government workers and a government worker myself the idea this is volunteer work is bullshyt.

 

[OfTheCross]

No offense, but fukk you man. As a child of government workers and a government worker myself the idea this is volunteer work is bullshyt.

So what are you saying? Why do they need Union?

Even historically, have government workers been exploited? These are honest questions

 

[Wargames]

So what are you saying? Why do they need Union?

Even historically, have government workers been exploited? These are honest questions

Benefits, overtime, and retirement plans.

The pay isn’t equivalent to the private sector but it’s stable and you should be good for your entire life and be able to raise a family.

 

[OfTheCross]

Benefits, overtime, and retirement plans.

The pay isn’t equivalent to the private sector but it’s stable and you should be good for your entire life and be able to raise a family.

Overtime pay is the law.

Retirement plans exist that aren't pensions (which is hurting States financially)

Benefits would be offered to compete with the Private Sector either way.

What you might give up in pay (for the record, Government workers get paid plenty well to live, just not as much as the private sector), you make up for in job security and the sense that you're contributing to the greater good.

 

[Wargames]

Overtime pay is the law.

Retirement plans exist that aren't pensions (which is hurting States financially)

Benefits would be offered to compete with the Private Sector either way.

What you might give up in pay (for the record, Government workers get paid plenty well to live, just not as much as the private sector), you make up for in job security and the sense that you're contributing to the greater good.

Overtime pay is better than what the law requires, benefits are better than the vast majority of the private and nonprofit sectors. The pay isn’t bad but not as much as private sector Jones, Also job security is far from guaranteed people get fired or forced to step down often..... Often. In fact unions aren’t even that great at helping people not lose their job, they just make sure you get paid for doing it.

Also ask a MTA employee if he thinks he is working for the great good or the pay check, overtime, benefits, and retirement. The “True Believers” make up at most less than 30% of public employees and I wouldn’t be surprised if it came up to half that if a poll was done.

 

[OfTheCross]

Overtime pay is better than what the law requires, benefits are better than the vast majority of the private and nonprofit sectors. The pay isn’t bad but not as much as private sector Jones, Also job security is far from guaranteed people get fired or forced to step down often..... Often. In fact unions aren’t even that great at helping people not lose their job, they just make sure you get paid for doing it.

Also ask a MTA employee if he thinks he is working for the great good or the pay check, overtime, benefits, and retirement. The “True Believers” make up at most less than 30% of public employees and I wouldn’t be surprised if it came up to half that if a poll was done.

I'd imagine that most people working for MTA, or the Police and Fire Departments, or Teachers even, are there for the pay, benefits, and retirement.

That means that those things are to the point where they're an attractive value to workers.

So, in 2021, why do we need Public Sector unions?

As a taxpayer, I don't see their need anymore. In recent history, they've seemed to cause more harm than good, i.e. Police Unions (defending and empowering thugs) and Teachers Unions (refusing to go to work as if they're not an "essential service")

 

[Rell Lauren]

To extort the public. There shouldn't be ANY public sector unions.

 

[acri1]

Higher Learning is getting more and more Republican I see.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Hmm..I don't disagree, but I can't think if any at the moment that would require a Union to resolve. Can you give me an example?

edit: oh, and to answer your question, Government work, to me, is like volunteer work. You do it for the public good, although you get paid less. Ideally.

In many govt agencies, management changes with administrations. Ppl are hired in high positions not because they're qualified but bc they belong to the right party, or raised money etc. These ppl then want to get rid of professional staff so they can hire their friends, supporters etc. They'll do all the typical shyt managers do to try and force employees out (not assign work equally etc).

The one thing I'll say is that I agree with some limitations - for instance making it illegal for certain unions to authorize a strike. But beyond that there's no difference.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

A businessman figures out how to make more money doing less work: "He's a genius! A genius businessman!"

A working man figures out how to make more money doing less work: "fukking lazy greedy union guys!"

QFT

 

[mykey]

In the last few years, the US government has demonstrated that they're willing to declare, as if they were intoning a magical spell, that they have created, from nothing, without printing anything or minting anything, hundreds of billions of brand new US dollars, which they pass to Wall Street like it's the symbolic Olympic torch, so that the illusion of "THE ECONOMY" doesn't disappear from the minds of the morons who actually sit there and watch CNBC.

It's not coming out of your taxes. They're very happy you think that it is. Because the longer you think that way, the more you'll be inclined to help Jeff Bezos fukk over the working man.

The US is $27 Trillion in debt and people still talmbout "muh taxes".

 

[DEAD7]

To extort the public. There shouldn't be ANY public sector unions.

 

[DEAD7]

Higher Learning is getting more and more Republican I see.

You love to see it.