Why Do So Many Ppl Wanna Move Out The Hood?

[kuts]

i read that newark will be the next brooklyn in 10 years.

That sounds very optimistic. From what I've seen of Newark, it will take more than 10 years and a lot of displacement for it to become like Brooklyn. I think Newark is like Staten Island in that residents own their homes in those communities and aren't looking to get bought out. Plus, I don't see the demand being there.

 

[Iceson Beckford]

Depends on the area. Some hoods are just terrible environments but OP is right that people dont recognise the value hoods have. Full of culture and amenities.

Black Americans are so lucky to have Black suburbs and middle class environments, we dont have that shyt in England. Its either you’re poor and live around black people or you’re middle class/upper class and dont.

I guess everyone is different but I plan to get a small apartment for myself and KIM. Living around pocket watching and hating middle class white people aint the life for me.

 

[BaileyPark31]

I grew up in the burbs and I plan on raising my family in the same environment.

I'm not sure why you say it's boring. I socialized and went places. We played outside and inside and some times walked places (parks pools stores)

Yes the homes can be close together but here in the northeast, the "hood" is mostly blocks of row houses, so I don't get your point.

Yes there are HOA fees. They take care of landscaping and snow removal. Sometimmes even things like community pools and playgrounds. Also siding and shingles etc. - living in the northeast with snow and the occasional high winds this is valuable. Plus it helps maintain property value.

Where I lived the schools in the suburbs are better than the city district. The richer people in the city always sent their kids to the private Catholic school which currently runs about 10k per year. This is usually the biggest factor on whether people stray in the city. If I had kids and couldn't afford private school, I'd move.

 

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

Because they don't want to be robbed and killed. Sir, please don't act like people won't become a lick if they have money and live in the hood around broke hood nikkas who don't have anything. Especially if they have money and they're law-abiding citizens. Nobody wants to be a victim.

I get your sentiment but the problem with this logic is the hoods and inner city dwellings that are getting gentrified, you still can be food..
Especially if we go back to some Reagan-nomics type ish under this administration..
When I go out to the areas that where considered high crime areas, you see all colors and walks of life acting like shyt is sweet..
Doesn’t matter the time of day, you can be a lick anywhere..
For example, Alief used to be considered a suburb of Houston..
Not anymore..
Now granted it ain’t nothing like the North side but if you get caught lackin..
Corporate, Spice Lane, Beechnut, Bissonnet, Kirkwood,Boone, Cook are some hard areas to grow up in but it’s considered “suburbia” to an extent..
I don’t see nothing wrong if people want to move to the suburbs because of safety and opportunity..
My only issue is when people move and get comfortable and don’t think the same crimes they moved from can’t follow them..
Those bored suburban kids be on the same fukk shyt..
Neighbors can be just as nasty and on some fukk shyt..
As long as you live in a major city, drugs and crime are going to be present..
Maybe not as in the wide open but the shyt still happens..
I live in a middle class neighborhood before entering a major suburb of Houston(Sugar Land), and all you hear about is murder suicides, kick doors, undercover meth houses, etc..in the Land..
Just because it’s picturesq doesn’t mean it’s not rotting on the inside..

 

[Sterling Archer]

So when they have all the money to make the hood into something new, and we don't, what value does the hood hold? It's like saying because you sold your business to a multinational for X amount of money that you would have seen returns like that.

No. The sweetheart deals and development money that revitalizes old hoods are not pocket change, and unfortunately the people with the most to gain from said hoods are the ones who least need the returns.

My old neighborhood wasn't shyt while I was there, and it wasn't until developers started putting folks out that it was safe and started to look inhabitable. So unless there is a glut of money and black development firms who can throw their weight around, there is a reason these areas see no help until the money boys come through.

Please explain to these nikkas the difference between homeowners and developers.

 

[MajorVitaman]

:mjpalm:The city and the hood are not the same thing. Even burbs can be "the hood."

Bruh I saw so much bad in the hood coming up, I am glad I live on a boring, relatively peaceful side of Chicago now. I go down two blocks and i'm in my old neighborhood

The jobs in the hood....scarce and low paying. I wasn't able to get real work till I got a car and moved around, you guessed it, to other parts of the city and in the burbs.


So when they have all the money to make the hood into something new, and we don't, what value does the hood hold? It's like saying because you sold

your business to a multinational for X amount of money that you would have seen returns like that. No. The sweetheart deals and development money that revitalizes old hoods

are not pocket change, and unfortunately the people with the most to gain from said hoods are the ones who least need the returns.

My old neighborhood wasn't shyt while I was there, and it wasn't until developers started putting folks out that it was safe and started to look inhabitable. So unless there is a glut

of money and black development firms who can throw their weight around, there is a reason these areas see no help until the money boys come through.

Your first sentance proved my point. You can go to the whitest, bougiest, most exclusive suburb in ameriKKKa and turn it to a "hood" if you pull the resources out systematically. And gentrification is proof that any "hood" can turn into a "hot booming area" if you choose to make it hot. The black folks with the money running off to the whitest part of town are literally selling out. We obviously don't have the same wealth as whites or asians but if we focused on improvement and starting small we would see tangible benefits. Isolating ourselves around a bunch of white supremacists is an L waiting to happen. Maybe you won't have to face that L, but our children will.

 

[At30wecashout]

Your first sentance proved my point. You can go to the whitest, bougiest, most exclusive suburb in ameriKKKa and turn it to a "hood" if you pull the resources out systematically. And gentrification is proof that any "hood" can turn into a "hot booming area" if you choose to make it hot. The black folks with the money running off to the whitest part of town are literally selling out. We obviously don't have the same wealth as whites or asians but if we focused on improvement and starting small we would see tangible benefits. Isolating ourselves around a bunch of white supremacists is an L waiting to happen. Maybe you won't have to face that L, but our children will.

I mean thats fine and all, but the issue comes when you see how much development costs.

The #1 reason for Gentrification? An opportunity for economic activity where there is very little. The bread and resources put into gentrifying places are ridiculous and are SOLELY
done with the intent to draw in residents and businesses that already have dollars.

They build A-1 shopping centers and amenities...that shyt ain't cheap, and its gonna cost to live and upkeep such a situation. The original residents aren't in a position to do so.
Now if you are arguing in favor of not letting the neighborhoods go, thats one thing, but "taking pride" in your area doesn't reverse its fortunes. Here in Chicago, there is a circle
that perpetuates itself:
Schools are shyt, and neighborhoods go to waste. No jobs in certain places. People migrate to where they have better opportunity.
Houses are now empty, and the property tax that would be paying for schoolsso now the school is worse. Then the city shutting down "under-performing" schools, displacing
its residents because the nearest school might be in gang territory. More payday loan spots than grocery stores, overzealous policing, etc. Bottom line, this shyt is not simply
the fault of the residents. The areas were in decline for ages, often due to jobs disappearing, and the people who can afford to fix it up? They don't want the people who can't to stick
around.

 

[ultraflexed]

Please explain to these nikkas the difference between homeowners and developers.

Exactly.....you guys who are arguing for buying homes in the hood are 6 years too late...lol

The average house in Oakland 2 bedroom 1600 as ft built in the 70's will easily sell for 700k

How many people living in the hood will qualify for that kind of loan...


Unless you have investment,developer type money, you can't buy a house in the hood if you wanted too

The people that are buying house in the hood now are investment groups from Asia or middle East that have cash money so they can skip the red tape.....

What does that mean?
It means under normal circumstances no bank in its right mind will approve the a 700k loan on a 40 year old 2-3 bedroon 1500 as ft house with foundation issues, dry rot, and probably needs a new water heater, an roof.

When your cash buyer you can skip all that, however if you need a loan it's a no go.

So your asking people to buy homes in the hood that
1. They can't afford
2. The bank don't approve the loan for the reasons I mentions



So they better off, moving out to the sub where they'll get more for there money.
Houses are newer and more affordable so the chance to get it financed (bank approved)
are a lot higher.



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[Wild self]

What if ur city doesnt have a black middle class .

Get the fukk out. I ain't raising my kids to feel mentally inferior cause no one of my color has ambition do have a good standard of living.

 

[Crispy]

not all burbs are HOA mine ain't

HOA can be straight azz tho

in theory its suppose to keep the area looking right

but it usually turns into muthafuccers all up in your sh!t

but if i was to buy a house to rent out to tenants

i would buy one with HOA

because my investment would be better protected

HOAs will keep property values up

but i would never want to live in one

i know a homie that do and the sh!t they go thru is crazy

but there house went up 180k in value in two years

there is money to be made in flipping homes in the suburbs in the right area

this is what my homie does

he cops a house in a new construction burb

holds it for a couple years and then slangs it

this dude has been getting paid to live

instead of living to pay

 

[Geek Nasty]

Why do so many broke brehs pretend they'll never leave the hood even if they start banking?

And why do so many brehs pretend they still live there after they get their come up?

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

There should have been many more attempts to successfully create areas like the attempt to
build Soul City in the 1970s.

The Time Republicans Helped Build an All-Black Town Called 'Soul City'

BRENTIN MOCK
NOV 6, 2015

In the early 1970s, African Americans in North Carolina coalesced around constructing a new community where the mission was black empowerment. And they were able to pull it off with financing from President Richard Nixon.

The hip-hop radio ads coming out of Ben Carson’s presidential campaign this week, to much laughter and derision, represent what Republican outreach to African Americans often looks like these days. But there was a time when Republicans took diversifying their base much more seriously. In the early 1970s, even President Richard Nixon’s administration, with its uniquely conservative, “law and order” bent, experienced what Ohio State University professor Devin Fergus calls “paroxysms of progressivism.” Such progressive spurts from the Nixon administration were responsible for producing the Environmental Protection Agency, the Clean Water Act—and Soul City.

Soul City was a project dreamed up by the civil rights activist Floyd McKissick. The fact that it went forward with financial assistance from Nixon represented one of the disgraced president’s “lapsed moments of liberalism,” as Fergus calls it in his 2010 Journal of Policy History article, “Black Power, Soft Power.” The idea was a city built for African Americans (though not exclusively), steered by black interests, and funded upfront by the federal government. It was, in essence, a request for the federal government to make good on the unrealized 40 acres and a mule promise made to African Americans emancipated from slavery. And President Nixon was all for it.


Soul City still exists today in North Carolina, right near the Virginia border, but it never became the racial Xanadu McKissick sold it as. A number of problems contributed to its failures, many of them beyond city planners’ control. A look back at the rise and fall of Soul City offers a number of lessons useful today when considering what’s at stake when targeted federal funding is deployed to address problems that are racial or social in nature.

In the Early 1970s, Republicans Helped Build an All-Black Town Called 'Soul City'

 

[MajorVitaman]

I mean thats fine and all, but the issue comes when you see how much development costs.

The #1 reason for Gentrification? An opportunity for economic activity where there is very little. The bread and resources put into gentrifying places are ridiculous and are SOLELY
done with the intent to draw in residents and businesses that already have dollars.

They build A-1 shopping centers and amenities...that shyt ain't cheap, and its gonna cost to live and upkeep such a situation. The original residents aren't in a position to do so.
Now if you are arguing in favor of not letting the neighborhoods go, thats one thing, but "taking pride" in your area doesn't reverse its fortunes. Here in Chicago, there is a circle
that perpetuates itself:
Schools are shyt, and neighborhoods go to waste. No jobs in certain places. People migrate to where they have better opportunity.
Houses are now empty, and the property tax that would be paying for schoolsso now the school is worse. Then the city shutting down "under-performing" schools, displacing
its residents because the nearest school might be in gang territory. More payday loan spots than grocery stores, overzealous policing, etc. Bottom line, this shyt is not simply
the fault of the residents. The areas were in decline for ages, often due to jobs disappearing, and the people who can afford to fix it up? They don't want the people who can't to stick
around.

That is what I'm arguing, my pops is a builder/developer I see I first hand. We got finessed during integration and depend on racist white corporations and government agencies to provide jobs for us that's an L waiting to happen. These corporations know that our neighborhoods are fukked up because they made it like that in the first place. The cherry pick the "good" black folks and they know the first thing we're going to do when we get a salary is to sell out and find the whitest suburb within driving distance and dip. 4 or 5 decades of this makes it easy to gentrify us. Then we wonder why we have no political representation, we wonder why our schools are so raggedy, we wonder why we don't own and control anything. We wonder why theres so much c00nery.

And then we bank all our life savings into a house and that's cool....






.... until the housing market crashes and those same white bankers hit you with the

"Damn you can't pay your mortgage?"

And even if you are financially stable enough to "make it" you're the isolated black family surrounded by a bunch of white supremacists.

Kind of like the charter school system or HBCU vs PWI sports but for housing. We think it's better to run after the same people who hate us only to get finessed down the line. We'd be better off doing the hard work upfront and make our own exclusive neighborhoods down the line instead of trying to hop in someone else's luxury area when they do everything they can to keep us out in the first place.

Idk I get what you're saying but I've seen too many black folks getting okie doke short & long term trynna play "the only black folks here" game. I just don't think it's worth it.

 

[Brandon M.]

i read that newark will be the next brooklyn in 10 years.

i been hearing that for 20 years

 

[Wild self]

Plus the burbs are a good place to find cheaper groceries, parking, and a peace of mind as an introvert. Sometimes being surrounded by people 24/7 is annoying and constant noise just pissed people off.