Why do some of y'all feel proud for not voting?

[brick james]

I don't think anyone is "proud" of not voting. I think many people are showing "pride" that the fact that certain voting blocs are for the first time setting and keeping a standard for the baseline requirements needed to OBTAIN a vote. Since voting is a transaction process, some blocs are showing "pride" in no longer simply giving something and getting the nothing on the OPPOSITE END of the transaction.

I hope that makes sense.....Now, onto interjecting emotions and things I never said in the above statment ......

This statement is just blatantly false. I know a lot of people proud of not voting, and don't know enough about politics or politicians to care about any of the things you mentioned. This encompasses almost everyone in my family, who don't give a shyt about CAC politics and actively detest it. There is nothing that could be done to earn their vote.

The politically engaged person you are talking to that is proud about keeping a standard required to obtain a vote is like .01% of the voting public; in real life civic engagement is directly correlated with things like education and income. If you are active enough to even have a cursory knowledge of politics, you are extremely likely to be part of the 50% of the country that votes. I think the type of voter you are talking about is most likely going to be a white person with high education, and low-medium income, in their 20's.

 

[Robbie3000]

When I turned 18, I couldn’t wait to vote. Never missed a presidential or mid term election.

I don’t understand why 40% of eligible voters don’t give a fukk about who rules over them.

 

[I'm Blackman]

the electoral college depresses a lot of turnout too. it really only matters in like 6 states

This. I'm in Alabama it doesnt matter if I vote Biden...Trump taking that in a landslide. So I vote, but my vote matters more in other races.

I agree with OP that not voting is wild.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

?????? Just wondering. The voter turnouts in this country are fukking abysmal. I see people on here vigorously debating politics, but won't go vote I talk to people in the real world about voting and if they're not passionate about it, it's kind of whatever to them. This has boggled my mind since I was 18. Any insight?

75% of society is on cruise control, for better or worse.

 

[Gus Money]

I think we need to be careful about just blaming people like this, I doubt a significant number of Americans consciously choose not to vote. I've never met anyone in real life who is proud of not voting. It's more likely that voting just isn't on the radar for a lot people, and I'd argue that's intentional. Combine a bunch of hurdles to even vote in the first place with the fact that a lot of people don't find politics enjoying or engaging, and you've got low turnout.

Automatic voter enrollment and making Election Day a federal holiday (like they do mostly everywhere else) would change turnout significantly. There's no reason we haven't take these steps except for intentional voter suppression and fears about nonexistent voter fraud.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil, and Some people refuse to compromise their morals and vote for evil.

I don't support not voting, but i understand it.

And yet y'all "independents" only seem to spit these virtuous fallacies of not voting on Democrat voters, particularly black voters.

Meanwhile Donald Trump can be the worst offender we've ever seen of everything y'all claim to be moral authorities of and y'all will grin and damn near high five each other celebrating his success (until now) in blatantly lieing and covering up corruption. From his unequivocal corruption leading to his impeachment, constant breaking the rules of constitutional law, constant stream of lies, violations of civil liberties, violations of Congressional powers and oversight, his reckless overspending, his visibly poor personal morals entirely, his "pandering" or lieing about views and policy agendas for votes, about to walk into November with not one fukkshyt of his outrageous "agenda" achieved after "pandering" the shyt out of y'all with his bigotry. He is easily the worst President of all time. America is in worse shape right now then we've seen in our lifetimes. Leaving 100,000+ Americans to die and leading us into the next great depression due entirely to his own self-serving lies is about to be his legacy come election day. If y'all "independents" weren't so full of shyt and kept half the energy you had for Hillary Clinton you'd be on the forefront right now demanding Benghazi-style investigations into the White House's pandemic response before November. You here worrying about black voters compromising their values for the lesser of two evils instead of preaching your shyt to the millions of Americans ready to compromise their values for the GREATER of two evils. When are y'all "independents" gonna leave black folks alone and go hang around pro-Trump spaces preaching the virtues of not vpting? Never. Y'all have no morals, and you only spit this shyt to the side you're trying to demoralize and disadvantage. Period.

Folks ain't falling for y'all bullshyt in 2020. Y'alls rallying cry in 2016 was not being forced to vote for a "shytty candidate." The shytty candidate being the one who actually has a reputable history in politics to criticize and a Fox News/Russian Government dishonest smear campaign being stacked against her. Well, Donald J Trump has been President for 4 years. He finally has a political history of his own to speak of and defend and it is damn abysmal. In terms of ethics, character, influence or accomplishment, he is the "shyttiest" incumbent candidate an "independent" has possibly ever seen, bar none. Everything from a tanked economy to impeachment under his name. He's everything y'all ACCUSED Hillary Clinton of being and then some. So please, keep the same 2016 energy. Do what y'all do best and keep America from electing a clearly "shytty" candidate. Otherwise, miss me with the self-righteous musings. Y'all only want US to see some virtue in not voting.

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

Republicans greatest accomplishment was making nikkaz believe they vote don’t count OR that “lesser of two evils” bullshyt.

they convinced the world the devil doesnt exist

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

This statement is just blatantly false. I know a lot of people proud of not voting, and don't know enough about politics or politicians to care about any of the things you mentioned. This encompasses almost everyone in my family, who don't give a shyt about CAC politics and actively detest it. There is nothing that could be done to earn their vote.

The politically engaged person you are talking to that is proud about keeping a standard required to obtain a vote is like .01% of the voting public; in real life civic engagement is directly correlated with things like education and income. If you are active enough to even have a cursory knowledge of politics, you are extremely likely to be part of the 50% of the country that votes. I think the type of voter you are talking about is most likely going to be a white person with high education, and low-medium income, in their 20's.

Yup. These idiots don't give a fukk about reparations or a black agenda, it's just a ruse and a distant goalpost to justify their lack of engagement in politics. This is why whenever a Democrat DOES come out in support of reparations, it's either not good enough for their "demands," or dismissed as Trojan horse pandering. It's why a Congressional hearing initiated by Democrats on the need for reparations produced more bytchy skepticism and inaction from these people claiming to take this seriously, than it did any further results. Even the YouTube thought leaders couldn't wait to line up and disparage the hearing with no further resolve other than to continue following them with cult-like devotion. This is why the people collectively most aligned with reparations--liberals, Democrats, other minority ethnic groups--are the greatest targets of these types. They don't really care about any of that shyt. It's all just a game of mental stimulation and attention for them. They use reparations and all that "demand my vote" shyt for their own little clout.

In the past these fools were the ones always saying "both sides the same" all the time and then the moment you challenge them to elaborate on their views and talk about the actual legislative goals of either side and how they are possibly "the same" they shut down because they don't actually know shyt about politics. They just insert themselves in it for attention, not wanting to perceived as dumb or beneath mature, political discourse. Twitter and YouTube has given these loud mouths a self-serving, "intellectual" position to place their lazy, fake intellectualism. It's sad because reparations in some pragmatic form or another is a noble LIBERAL cause that is achievable and that black folks should be patiently and actively pursuing with every Presidential administration and Congress. I think all of us who considers ourselves ultimately "pro-black" in our political views are in favor of it. But these phony militants along with their YouTube thought leaders have turned it into a joke. Mental pornography for loud extremists and anti-establishment types. Useful fodder for opportunists looking for a pro-black social media persona or political operatives looking for something to emotionally manipulate and weaponize black voters against voting over. They are doing more to destroy their own movement than any Pan-Afrian activist or jealous Yoruba immigrant could be bothered. Not even 20% of Americans support reparations in any form and these fools seem hell bent on making it the most unpopular policy issue in America for a generation and then blame it on everything, especially Democrats and us voting, when nobody at all supports it--keeping us perpetually not voting and removed from any influence over this country.

 

[DEAD7]

And yet y'all "independents" only seem to spit these virtuous fallacies of not voting on Democrat voters, particularly black voters.

I disagree, I believe the voters who abstain from voting for moral/ideological reasons are likely white. I dont hear many black voters making the moral argument against voting for evil. Its usually a "my vote doesnt matter", "fukk those cacs", or "nothing is gonna change anyway" in my experience.

 

[acri1]

Fake wokeness spreads like wildfire on the Internet. Saying you won't vote because both sides are the same is basically the fake woke motto.

 

[Wild self]

Yup. These idiots don't give a fukk about reparations or a black agenda, it's just a ruse and a distant goalpost to justify their lack of engagement in politics. This is why whenever a Democrat DOES come out in support of reparations, it's either not good enough for their "demands," or dismissed as Trojan horse pandering. It's why a Congressional hearing initiated by Democrats on the need for reparations produced more bytchy skepticism and inaction from these people claiming to take this seriously, than it did any further results. Even the YouTube thought leaders couldn't wait to line up and disparage the hearing with no further resolve other than to continue following them with cult-like devotion. This is why the people collectively most aligned with reparations--liberals, Democrats, other minority ethnic groups--are the greatest targets of these types. They don't really care about any of that shyt. It's all just a game of mental stimulation and attention for them. They use reparations and all that "demand my vote" shyt for their own little clout.

In the past these fools were the ones always saying "both sides the same" all the time and then the moment you challenge them to elaborate on their views and talk about the actual legislative goals of either side and how they are possibly "the same" they shut down because they don't actually know shyt about politics. They just insert themselves in it for attention, not wanting to perceived as dumb or beneath mature, political discourse. Twitter and YouTube has given these loud mouths a self-serving, "intellectual" position to place their lazy, fake intellectualism. It's sad because reparations in some pragmatic form or another is a noble LIBERAL cause that is achievable and that black folks should be patiently and actively pursuing with every Presidential administration and Congress. I think all of us who considers ourselves ultimately "pro-black" in our political views are in favor of it. But these phony militants along with their YouTube thought leaders have turned it into a joke. Mental pornography for loud extremists and anti-establishment types. Useful fodder for opportunists looking for a pro-black social media persona or political operatives looking for something to emotionally manipulate and weaponize black voters against voting over. They are doing more to destroy their own movement than any Pan-Afrian activist or jealous Yoruba immigrant could be bothered. Not even 20% of Americans support reparations in any form and these fools seem hell bent on making it the most unpopular policy issue in America for a generation and then blame it on everything, especially Democrats and us voting, when nobody at all supports it--keeping us perpetually not voting and removed from any influence over this country.

You checked TLR lately?

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

The better question is why is one of our two major political parties proud of people not voting. To the point that it is part of their strategy. It goes even further than that, when the youth didn't turn out for Bernie (or anyone) people were here in HL pumping their chest over it. We're completely fine with poor voter turnout, even encourage it, until it hurts our candidate.

Why do we still have the electoral college which helps to make voters feel disenfranchised?
Why do we still have hurdles in place that make it unnecessarily tough for people to vote?
Why do we discourage people from voting third party and tell them their vote is wasted unless they fall in line with D or R?

Our voter turnout is trash and it doesn't come down to people being "proud" of not voting. There are some like that, like the "no tangibles no vote" crowd on here that seems lost, but the reality is a lot of people don't vote and are indifferent, not proud.

 

[DonKnock]

A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil, and Some people refuse to compromise their morals and vote for evil.

I don't support not voting, but i understand it.

In reality rather than insane libertarian backwards land we call that the better option

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I would say that those people are “proud” because they’ve decided to not be a part of what’s increasingly coming off as a con game. The truth is there are quite a few flaws with our system and unfortunately it has caused many people to disengage with American politics altogether. Also, given the anti-intellectualism in this country it’s rather easy to convince people that a vote doesn’t matter at all.

This isn’t to say they’re right but it’s just what it is. A real political candidate with real teeth looking to do real things in government would definitely be able to whip up some support from non-voters. In fact, I’d love to see how much of that group Obama was able to tap into in his first run. I would even argue that many voters (including myself) came out of the Obama era even more cynical than they were before it.

 

[DEAD7]

In reality rather than insane libertarian backwards land we call that the better option

Certainly, and some people refuse to compromise
I dont support not voting, but it isnt too hard to understand someone not wanting to cast a vote they arent at peace with.