Why do we associate fatherlessness with crime and dysfunction?

[Prynce]

Even a mega-white liberal publication like The Atlantic can't ignore the obvious:

"It's difficult to get up-to-date data since the Bureau of Justice doesn't reliably track the family background of inmates. (They also put intact and step families in the same "two parent" category, though at least one study has found the later to be predictive of juvenile incarceration.) The 1987 "Survey of Youth in Custody" found that 70% did not grow up with both parents. Another 1994 study of Wisconsin juveniles was even more stark: only 13% grew up with their married parents. Here's the conclusion of Cynthia Harper and Sara McLanahan, the doyenne of researchers about single parenthood: "[C]ontrolling for income and all other factors, youths in father-absent families (mother only, mother-stepfather, and relatives/other) still had significantly higher odds of incarceration than those from mother-father families.""

The Real, Complex Connection Between Single-Parent Families and Crime

Got anything more recent thats 25-30 years ago?

Not saying it isnt true

 

[Prynce]

For clarity, what is your point?

People link crime and dysfunction to single parent homes when a ton of criminals do have fathers at home or in the life

If fatherlessness was the reason crime exists in our community then there shouldn't be as much crime cause most black people know their father

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Got anything more recent thats 25-30 years ago?

Not saying it isnt true

The Atlantic article is from 2012.

And as it indicates in its research, many penal institutions don't even inquire of family background from those that are incarcerated within its walls.

In fact there were some jails and prisons that would only ask for the name of the mother. There have been school districts that only requested the name of the mother, as well.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

People link crime and dysfunction to single parent homes when a ton of criminals do have fathers at home or in the life

People make that link by simply observing the vast, overwhelming number of those who've committed crimes (especially young men) who also come from fatherless households and fatherless communities.

If fatherlessness was the reason crime exists in our community then there shouldn't be as much crime cause most black people know their father

"Knowing your father" doesn't indicate much.

A child who lives everyday with his unmarried bio mother in Atlanta, might "know" his bio father Virginia Beach. Whether he has an everyday, nurturing relationship with him (like he may have with his mother...) cannot be determined by just "knowing" him.

Texting you father twice a year is indeed an indication of "knowing him" -- but that has little to do with actually being raised by him.

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

The Atlantic article is from 2012.

And as it indicates in its research, many penal institutions don't even inquire of family background from those that are incarcerated within its walls.

In fact there were some jails and prisons that would only ask for the name of the mother. There have been school districts that only requested the name of the mother, as well.

The "Atlantic" is not a primary factual reference source. The Atlantic is a compilation of opinions and analysis from literal and cultural commentary. None of these corporate funded or sponsored publications are without their share of bias and propaganda.

 

[MikeOck]

Get this lame dap-fishing, plat-fishing BS thread outta here, the studies on fatherlessness are beyond reasonable doubt at this point. Didn't need a study for that shyt to begin with to be honest.

 

[Cel 510 kid ados forever]

I dont care for statistics in these situations.

they for years said 70 percent of black kids were fatherless which isnt true.

I agree with op

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

True, but in the clack community every time we have a dialogue about what's wrong with out condition fatherlessness pops up as on one of the main factors but anybody who grew up around black people know that isn't the case

I think that’s because of a few things.

One, this is a male dominated forum. So, when you see topics about improvement, advice, guidance, and place that against cases where you see people making bad decisions or etc, most men will probably default to (especially if they had fathers in their lives) fatherly advice.

 

[Prynce]

People make that link by simply observing the vast, overwhelming number of those who've committed crimes (especially young men) who also come from fatherless households and fatherless communities.




"Knowing your father" doesn't indicate much.

A child who lives everyday with his unmarried bio mother in Atlanta, might "know" his bio father Virginia Beach. Whether he has an everyday, nurturing relationship with him (like he may have with his mother...) cannot be determined by just "knowing" him.

Texting you father twice a year is indeed an indication of "knowing him" -- but that has little to do with actually being raised by him.

True I should clarify

most black people have a relationship with their father and he contributes to their lives

However we still have people who come from the 2 present and contributing family life who still are dysfunctional and partake in criminality

 

[Prynce]

Get this lame dap-fishing, plat-fishing BS thread outta here, the studies on fatherlessness are beyond reasonable doubt at this point. Didn't need a study for that shyt to begin with to be honest.

Deadbeats have been looked down on in our community for 40 damn years. Nobody likes them and most men don't want to be a deadbeat

 

[Prynce]

I dont care for statistics in these situations.

they for years said 70 percent of black kids were fatherless which isnt true.

I agree with op

Ye I didn't want to just say data is BS but tbh if it isnt from an accredited scholar I dont take it too serious

Data for black people can be manipulated

 

[Ghostface Trillah]

I can find just as many nikkas in prison with dads than nikkas without them too

You can look at LA for example and see 3 generations of men all in the same gang

It has to be more than not having a father than leads people down a certain path

No, you can't. You're saying statistically that 50% of the prison population came from a two parent home when statistically it's been proven to be a very low number.

Stop saying shyt just to say shyt.

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

I don't think OP is trying to downplay the significance of fathers in the homes or their roles. Having a father is very important.
But I also think that people discount how a dysfunctional parent in a two parent home can have a negative impact on the development, as well.

 

[Prynce]

I don't think OP is trying to downplay the significance of fathers in the homes or their roles. Having a father is very important.
But I also think that people discount how a dysfunctional parent in a two parent home can have a negative impact on the development, as well.

My whole point.

I wanted to see if other people could see that also

It doesn't matter the amount of parents its the quality of parent

It also simplifies the fact that all people don't even have the same standards for what is a productive member of society

 

[Matt504]

The point is to blame single mothers, the ones left to raise the children the Black fathers abandoned.