Why does Jordan get points for 'accomplishing' playing in the NCAA, as oppose to Bron?

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

How many times were bron's teams either first in the east or favored to win the title? Now how many times did he lose?

Thats what bron gets penalized for. 60+ win, #1 seed cavs teams not even making the finals and stacked and favored heat teams getting embarrassed in the finals. Thats why he's penalized.

Jordan always went to the finals and won as a #1 seed or 60 win team when the bulls were expected to win. Apples to apples Jordan never failed in the same situation.

The heat weren't favored in 2014 and they were underdogs in 2012 too. The cavaliers shouldn't have been the favorites in 2009 or 2010 either given how clearly they were overachieving. Those two teams were one man shows that were horribly outmatched in talent besides one man and in coaching. Matter of fact, it's legit arguable that LeBron hadn't played for a good coach until 2014-15 or 2015-16. Go back and look at how badly his coach got taken to school in the 2009 conference finals, 2010 semifinals, 2011 finals, 2012 conference finals, and the 2014 finals. All firing worthy performances.

 

[CarltonJunior]

It's the same argument with the Jordan was undefeated in the finals. Some how since mj didn't make it to the finals n lose in the first 6-7 years of his career LeBron gets penalized.

It's like people would rather Bron get bounced in the 2nd round like Jordan was doing then go to the finals in lose. I'm not saying LeBron should higher then Mike because of it but he shouldn't be penalized. Shyts crazy.

LeBron is penalized because he won 3 less titles in that span

 

[MJ Truth]

The heat weren't favored in 2014 and they were underdogs in 2012 too. The cavaliers shouldn't have been the favorites in 2009 or 2010 either given how clearly they were overachieving. Those two teams were one man shows that were horribly outmatched in talent besides one man and in coaching. Matter of fact, it's legit arguable that LeBron hadn't played for a good coach until 2014-15 or 2015-16. Go back and look at how badly his coach got taken to school in the 2009 conference finals, 2010 semifinals, 2011 finals, 2012 conference finals, and the 2014 finals. All firing worthy performances.

LeBron's never had a truly good coach if you wanna be honest; jury still out on Ty Lue, I suppose he could become one but he certainly isn't one yet. Of course, with the way LeBron controls things, him playing for a top tier coach may not work out anyway.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

LeBron's never had a truly good coach if you wanna be honest; jury still out on Ty Lue, I suppose he could become one but he certainly isn't one yet. Of course, with the way LeBron controls things, him playing for a top tier coach may not work out anyway.

Tough to say. He probably needed one young. Pat made a huge mistake letting spo coach that team. It directly cost us the title in 2011 and he nearly cost them the conference finals in 2012 and the finals by subbing an injured Wade back in with 3:30 left in game 6 when the lineup out there turned a 10 point deficit into a lead. That performance against Dallas though . Leaving mike bibby out there starting the first five games and not playing James jones at all. Starting Joel Anthony even with him shooting 29.4% from the field

 

[bnm8907]

Would you say MJ is overrated if so then give a breakdown. The titles are a team thing but let's talk about MJ the basketball player

I wouldn't say he's overrated

 

[fifth column]

I wouldn't say he's overrated

He's rated as the goat so glad u onboard

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

someone has to explain this fukkin narrative to me, because i don't understand

bron went in straight outta HS, and won nothing. jordan couldnt deal with that, so he went to college instead. and accomplished nothing in the NBA from 18-20

why do dudes count this against bron in the argument

nobody is making that argument and you know it


people said do not compare the two BEFORE 21 cause bron didn't go to college... therefore he has more years of stats than jordan to be comparing by age

it's a false comparison... you are comparing stats from 10 years to stats from 7 years



NOBODY said that somehow made jordan better... they simply said it's not a fair comparison..


if you are ONLY comparing nba stats... then compare the equal number of NBA years

 

[big bun]

but why should i buy the bron didnt win from 18-20 narrative, when mj didnt either?

Wrong. Jordan won a nat'l championship as a freshman.

 

[Taadow]

MJ won a title in college too that's why.

/thread

 

[Truefan31]

BRON WAS GETTING BOUNCED IN THE 2ND ROUND.

ITS NOT THE SAME ARGUMENT....

BRON LOST AS THE NUMBER ONE SEED IN THE ECF AND THE 2ND ROUND
2 YEARS IN A ROW.

THE ONLY TIME BRON TOOK A BUM TEAM TO THE FINALS IS 07.

HES BEEN ON THE BEST TEAMS IN THE EAST THE LAST 6 YEARS....

SO EVEN IF YOU STANS TAKE AWAY 2007
HES STILL 3-3 IN THE FINALS.

YOU nikkaS IN HERE TALKING LIKE BRON
WAS ROUTINELY MAKING THE FINALS
BEFORE HE BUILT A SUPERTEAM.

04- NO PLAYOFFS
05- NO PLAYOFFS
06 - 2nd ROUND
07- FLUKE FINALS
08- 2nd ROUND
09- ECF
2010- 2nd ROUND

2011-2016 THE MOST STACKED TEAMS IN THE EAST...

3-3 FINALS



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It's obvious who hasn't really watched mj from the jump. Ain't nobody with a crab leg jumpshot better than mj.

 

[Jplaya2023]

the thing with jordan losing in the playoffs vs lebron is jordan was suppose to lose those playoff series. He never lost a playoff series as a favorite or with home court advantage. No one was expecting jordan and dave corzine and charles oakley and orlando woolrdige to beat the fukking celtics in the mid 80s as a fukkin 8th seed in the playoffs. No one expected them to beat the bad boy pistons with pippen and grant still learning the game.

What we get on lebron for is losing multiple times as the favorite in the playoffs and with home court advantage.

most notably

2009 (not his fault they lose but they did)
2010
2011

no one kills lebron for losing to the spurs in 07 or the warriors in 15. You can knock him for losing to the spurs in 14 since he dissapeared outside of games 1 and 2 and just padded stats

 

[Sccit]

LEBRON WAS ABLE TO ACCUMULATE MORE STATS DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, SO IT MAKES HIS OVERALL NBA STATS LOOK BETTER, BUT IN REALITY, HAS NO TRUE BARRING ON WHO WAS THE OVERALL BETTER PLAYER .. SIMPLE SCIENCE

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

The heat weren't favored in 2014 and they were underdogs in 2012 too. The cavaliers shouldn't have been the favorites in 2009 or 2010 either given how clearly they were overachieving. Those two teams were one man shows that were horribly outmatched in talent besides one man and in coaching. Matter of fact, it's legit arguable that LeBron hadn't played for a good coach until 2014-15 or 2015-16. Go back and look at how badly his coach got taken to school in the 2009 conference finals, 2010 semifinals, 2011 finals, 2012 conference finals, and the 2014 finals. All firing worthy performances.

None of you lame ass fools were saying that shyt in either of those seasons. All I ever seen in forums those years was "This is the Cavs year".