Why Does Lord Jamar fukk With Eminem?

[The Ruler 09]

I wouldn't consider him a biter. He was still trying to find his sound and all rappers learn from and are influenced by the rap that came before them.

And I said it was mainstream friendly. Meaning the style/content and everything would've been perfectly acceptable by a mainstream audience, especially since it pretty much followed the style of Illmatic/Doe or Die and rap had a number of successful lyrical rappers at the time.


Whether he's a gimmick or not is a matter of opinion. You could argue that he is/was.

And you do have a point that there was successful rap music that revolved around violence and non family-friendly content that was highly successful. But I was speaking more in general. If you have a new artist who has 2 types of songs, which do you think labels would prefer to put out and expect more people to gravitate towards?:
1) a club type record and just catchy type of music that will hit a wide audience
2) record about dumping your baby's mom into a lake, slicing off a woman's nipple and raping her, etc


As far as advancing/evolving - I was just referring to his music going from Infinite to SSLP. Obviously Encore was worse than TES.

I still don't see how Encore was selling out. He didn't change his style or content in any significant way (especially if you compare it to his immature music around SSLP), he just put out shyt quality. I think you're letting the horrible quality blind you from the fact that at it's core, Encore is the same goofball music that Em has been doing since he first became popular.

As I already said I don't think you're very familiar Eminem and his career if you think Encore is some crazy left field out of the ordinary record for him. Encore was basically like Hi My Name Is, Real Slim Shady, Without Me, Purple Pills type songs for an entire album.

It wasn't a mainstream album. Nor was it mainstream friendly in the sense of being very commercial. Illmatic and Do Or Die weren't either.

Those weren't the two options, that wasn't the only song/theme on the album. It was a crazy WHITE guy with an attitude that had some rappin ability that was backed by Dre. It was basically a updated Vanilla Ice marketing scheme. (not artistically).

Lol heard every album in his career and most songs so I'm pretty familiar with his career.

Anyway, ultimately this is about Lord Jamar lol.

 

[BlackMajik]

Fukk Emenim

 

[Crakface]

Lord Jamar said he fukks with Eminem, I'm confused by this considering his stance, Macklemore does what he does, but Eminem has numerous recorded racist tapes dissing black people, has dressed as a woman in videos, said stuff more "gay" than Macklemore "me and Dre fukking with hats off" etc. Also Eminem is different from Macklemore, he dissed Lauryn Hill and said he don't like her, that doesn't appear to be Macklemore's stance. Before anybody says it's cause of music this is incorrect cause Lord Jamar said Macklemore is dope. Also people talk about the Grammys, hasn't Eminem got more privilege because he was white than anybody? Even with his racist history? And his attitude? And even dissed black icons. Seems to be some hypocrisy within this view point. Why diss Macklemore but say you fukk with Eminem? Also he said he fukked with Brother Ali who has music about gay people's rights. It's quite confusing.

Eminem came through the underground testing himself against respected mcs, being heavily involved in the battlerap culture and collaborating with a variety of underground artists before blowing up. Macklefag, did not. He circumvented hiphop and achieved fame as a pop artists with a gay fanbase so he doesnt get that same respect

 

[Prae]

Lord Jamar said he fukks with Eminem, I'm confused by this considering his stance, Macklemore does what he does, but Eminem has numerous recorded racist tapes dissing black people, has dressed as a woman in videos, said stuff more "gay" than Macklemore "me and Dre fukking with hats off" etc. Also Eminem is different from Macklemore, he dissed Lauryn Hill and said he don't like her, that doesn't appear to be Macklemore's stance. Before anybody says it's cause of music this is incorrect cause Lord Jamar said Macklemore is dope. Also people talk about the Grammys, hasn't Eminem got more privilege because he was white than anybody? Even with his racist history? And his attitude? And even dissed black icons. Seems to be some hypocrisy within this view point. Why diss Macklemore but say you fukk with Eminem? Also he said he fukked with Brother Ali who has music about gay people's rights. It's quite confusing.

I don't think Em catches enough flak for that. He's crossdressed in numerous videos.

He was also out of line with the Lauryn Hill comments (on 3 songs) since the basis for those was false as you pointed out.

 

[HYDRO]

kinda hard to be a pro black hypocrit when the white boy has you blackballed

 

[SunZoo]

I understand completely what selling out is. He compromised his views. Do you really think Infinite Eminem would have made Just Loose It, Fack and Puke? Lmao.

Iit's not a sell out move just because you didn't like the songs or see the humor in them, and the "infinite" eminem wouldn't have made SSLP/MMLP/TES..

When infinite came out he was just rapping because he could rap still trying to find his style, he wasn't really drawing from his personal experiences, he wasn't digging deep enough until he got to the point where he wanted to give up and that propelled him to actually utilize his pain.

Raping and farting at 30 plus isn't like some incredible humour from a comic genuis...

It ain't about whether he's a comic genius or whether or not you personally like, or "get" his brand of humor. It's about him being a REAL LIFE, goofball and it coming out in his music which is one of the main reasons i'm a fan.

Alot of times you get the sense that Eminem really goes into the studio to make music for eminem. There's singles and obvious cash grab moves that come with the obligation of being a major artist, but you can't call songs like "puke" or even "fack" sell out moves, that was just him fukking around in the studio high and burnt out...shyt the whole encore album was about him NOT wanting to make an album.

 

[SunZoo]

I don't think Em catches enough flak for that.

Why would anybody give flak to an obvious troll for trolling though? Unless this is about some kind of "eww gay" thing I don't see why anybody would care given the precedent set by his antics early in his career.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Iit's not a sell out move just because you didn't like the songs or see the humor in them, and the "infinite" eminem wouldn't have made SSLP/MMLP/TES..

When infinite came out he was just rapping because he could rap still trying to find his style, he wasn't really drawing from his personal experiences, he wasn't digging deep enough until he got to the point where he wanted to give up and that propelled him to actually utilize his pain.



It ain't about whether he's a comic genius or whether or not you personally like, or "get" his brand of humor. It's about him being a REAL LIFE, goofball and it coming out in his music which is one of the main reasons i'm a fan.

Alot of times you get the sense that Eminem really goes into the studio to make music for eminem. There's singles and obvious cash grab moves that come with the obligation of being a major artist, but you can't call songs like "puke" or even "fack" sell out moves, that was just him fukking around in the studio high and burnt out...shyt the whole encore album was about him NOT wanting to make an album.

I think he betrayed his artistic principles for fame and fortune. If you don't that's cool, but that's what I think.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Eminem came through the underground testing himself against respected mcs, being heavily involved in the battlerap culture and collaborating with a variety of underground artists before blowing up. Macklefag, did not. He circumvented hiphop and achieved fame as a pop artists with a gay fanbase so he doesnt get that same respect

So it's ok to call people ******s if you battled some people? Not to me. I don't know much about Macklemore, but I've heard he went the independent business route and was very successful with it. Isn't the entrepreneurial aspect part of the essence of Hip Hop and one of the 9 elements?

 

[Deltron]

I think he betrayed his artistic principles for fame and fortune.

How so?