Why doesn't this new generation seem to understand or grasp why Jay-Z was considered a top draw?

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I'm 30 and don't get the top 5 appeal either. Yes, he has absolute bangers & quotables but so does Wayne - who if someone dared call T5 overall & not personal fav, we'd look at crazy. I see his status tied more to intangibles: business ventures, image, longevity & not MC. To me he's a more sanitized/polished amalgam of Pusha T and Westsidegunn.

He just compared Jay-Z to westsidegunn.

Disgusting.

shyt even the Wayne comparison was disgusting really, "bangers and quotables like Wayne", dog...despite Wayne dikking riding Jay to no end, they are not on the same tier at all
 

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Prior to that tho his music and skill was next level.





When I was really outside he was dropping shyt like this





The black album was always super over-rated just because it was the retirement album.


I felt like a lot of my peers were jocking that shyt just cause. It was not it.



Dog you’re telling NO LIES.

I think the black album came out my senior year going into the summer of my freshman year for college and it was the only thing that we were really playing. The media hype really had us fooled back then. I remember being at parties and we will be discussing that fukking album All in depth and shyt.
 

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444 was a mature album… He was making grown man music while you dummies wanted to put money to your ear.

If u want Jay to rap about stunting in his prime, go back and listen to Vol 1 on your standard streaming service and any other Jay albums before 2003.

Grown Man Jigga era was from 2006-2017.


Kids aren’t used to that realism in rap


Jay-Z was a grown man when reasonable doubt dropped.

He heavily regressed for a period intentionally.



You can not blame the fans for him souling out.... @Art Barr chime in
 

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He just compared Jay-Z to westsidegunn.

Disgusting.

shyt even the Wayne comparison was disgusting really, "bangers and quotables like Wayne", dog...despite Wayne dikking riding Jay to no end, they are not on the same tier at all
Yall dramatic nikkas do this all the time :mjlol:

How about posting these bars and verses that make him a top tier rapper :jbhmm:

5 pages in and the only nikka dropping quotable is me. Do better :ufdup:
 

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Yall old nikkas just don't understand that Jay has been surpassed on both fronts :manny:

It's nikkas that make way more entertaining music that resonates with the current gen. Love it or hate it, it's just facts. Carti, future, gunna, thug, or lil baby gonna get them going more than whatever bangers yall say Jay got

And on the intellectual front, I legit don't get it. Jay z never made music that anybody who passed the 6th grade wouldn't be able to follow. Rappers like canibus, lupe, ras Kass, or ab soul are way better examples of that who've long surpassed anything Jay has ever said

I'll give him props for being clever, but clever ain't the same as actually having something to say. And Jay z isn't gonna connect with my generation who is more left wing that yalls was. We're ideologically opposed on practically every issue. Jay z is pretty much the epitome of everything I hate :mjlol:

He doesn't stand for anything other than making money. Any pseudo revolutionary platitudes he preaches are undercut if you have half a brain to see he's just trying to sell you something. It's hilarious how the same posters who call kendrick a fake activist don't look at Jay z the same way when he's an even more glaring example of the same exact shyt

Yet we're the dumb ones for not falling for it :skip:






that whole track negates the BS you kicking.
 

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Actually my favorite Jay z song :mjgrin:

But it doesn't negate anything. If anything it proves my point. Cause if this is yalls example for the peak of intellectual rap, yall some remedial nikkas :picard:

Last book you read was facebook :huhldup:

You just lack understanding and comprehension.

Guys like Killah Priest and Jay Electronica stay quoting books and will never be able to produce a track of that quality.




Your idea of "intellectisism" is what exactly?
 

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Wayne never had a truly great album either :dead:

And inspired all of this barely unintelligible junkie rap, despite gaining notoriety and legitimacy off doing his best impression of the man in question. Whoopi should not be pointed up as an approximation of what/who Jay was.

Unfortunately the closest thing any of these crack babies have seen is "Drake" as an entity who even at it's best was vapid, let alone all the way around fraudulent.
 
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Insert any rapper 90s and before tho

I legit saw a video if some YNs saying G Herbo is better than Jada...

Yall gotta move on from these debates..

Jada one of my GOATs but he deserves to be compared to G herbo.


He souled out 2.


His greatest moments aren't even available on streaming as a result. You had 2 be there.
 

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Jay-Z was a grown man when reasonable doubt dropped.

He heavily regressed for a period intentionally.



You can not blame the fans for him souling out.... @Art Barr chime in

He had to dumb down his lyrics to double his dollars…


It worked. Now Jay doesn’t have to rap on any boom bap beats just to sell 3,000 copies
 

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He had to dumb down his lyrics to double his dollars…


It worked. Now Jay doesn’t have to rap on any boom bap beats just to sell 3,000 copies

It didn't work because we having this conversation.

Jay's issue was never the production.



He chose to limit himself lyrically and wave hop.






Watch the throne was hands down the lowest point in "real" hip-hop.
 
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