Why doesn't this new generation seem to understand or grasp why Jay-Z was considered a top draw?

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i hate hustle culture and the way its ruined hiphop

years ago i lived in a bigger city and id take the light rail around town. id always see this one dude selling CDs downtown... "you like hiphop?" he'd call out to people as they walked by. i was bored one day and copped one of his CDs

i got home and it was blank. he was selling blank CDs.
 

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They just be saying shyt just to say it. They heard some ppl say it bouta decade ago and kept it going. Its supposed to be an edgy take. Kinda like if we said the Beatles was ass.

Many rockers especially Indie Rock do not fck with The Beatles at all. They say 'Let it Be' is their only good joint.

Now this jayz selloout discussion is a titan graph to explain. As it always takes a history lesson. In a titangraph. To debunk the grief candy sellout jiggy bandwagon draw of jayz.

So if the general poster is not ready to read. Or care about hiphop. It will not resonate. Plus showcase the ignorant mainstream draw of fans. That allowed jayz using grief candy. To use rhat last piece kf biggie smalls grief cansy to vault past the jiggy sellout gateway of fan from puff no way out.
now as a bboy.
Before biggie died.
rhe hipjop culture ban hammee culturally for rap. Was already damaged beyond possible repair. From the prison industrial economy and communications act.

The first problem with jayz is.
The so-called jayz on rd.
Is not jayz tho.
We may have mevee heaed the real jayz ever tbh.
It is a hodge podge biter album, of sauce money, jaz and geechi suede.

Where jay kinda got to prey on those three. Using simple divide and conquer logic. Plus knowing their fatal flaws. Would cut them off at the knees. In rhe long term.

Jaz, was already a sellout and a failed will smith fresh prince biter.
Yet incapable of the impossible. Or incapable of biting. Then providing a higher quality product while biting. Sohh instead of knowing the record industry for the time. Like our generarion taught us to do. Before we entered entertainment spaces. Where fat albert literacy specials educated us. To that era being about going to school before crack.
Yet since jay and jaz was into goofie lame shyt .
That 1000 dimes before dinner time shyt. They thought they could say fukk any education. My paper will be my cushion.
Then got in an arena. Where an education was needed. They flauged and fukked it up.
Sohh after so-called success. That is revisionist in the originators.
Fed into the sellout okie doke. As soon as they were offered a deal.
Sohh no they have to rehab rheir image culturally. In a time. Where selling out was not allowed. Regardless of the fresh prince's success. That originally before summertime. We can assume possibly fresh prince's original foray. Outside of the fake jazzy jeff.
Was true to the top philly classically trained. performing arts top tier student and philly native will smith. Whom graduated from the same school. as wilt chsmberlain if i remember right wothout google. believe. Sohh in that will smith was chasing greatness. Although from philly. Still was an outsider to nyc like a person in jersey. just trying to see studio54. Close but far away in a number of variables socially and culturally. So will smith as fresh prince had to craft. A commercially viable mkdel of success in rhyme. To certifiy and authenicate. Being able to deviate and be successful. As back then. The you still out here dling thjs shjt parental rant fron wild sryke a d misappropriate oarent directuon of ramo jn beat street farher. Was rhe sjgnkf rhe times. Regardless of oruson jndustrial economy bullshyt revisionist excuse. That would latee be marketed to us.
That most genx and eaely pre oil crisis nikkaz clung to. Instead of keeping it real. That they knew that you had tk get an educatuon. As we came from the generation threatened to be drafted. Where educatuon was an original way. To possible swerve being drafted. Sohh education was rhe key then. That many ho nikkaz try to use the lruson industrial economy. To seek sway for being dumbasses and falling prey to being dealers.
Sohh in that. The fresh prince is more educated and more skilled than jaz and jay. Jay is just lucky. That jerry heller was gifted eazy e. That fateful day. To change american history.
To give jay a small loophole of many to use to his advantage. To later become rhis pr'd construct. That has fooled the publjc.
Combine the skill level of failed fresh prince biter, jaz.

As well as sauce money and androgynous pagan like geechi suede.
Sauce although a technician and arguably doper. Let jay bite. Under the same sellout shyt. That ruined jaz. Jayz could eventually play divide and conquer. Aa sauce money never jettisoned.
his puff sellout ghost writer no way out connection. To be successful Long term or culturally.

To be continued.
I think i may run out of character space. Like usual. When having to breakdown decades of culture thievery and jiggy-ism.
Centered around jayz.
Adult Parent phone duty is calling. Be back in a minute tho.

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It didn't work because we having this conversation.

Jay's issue was never the production.



He chose to limit himself lyrically and wave hop.






Watch the throne was hands down the lowest point in "real" hip-hop.

why?
 

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I knew the moment I hit send, I activated the bat signal for the Jaystice League. Part of the reason I hate discussing rappers from 1995 - 2005. I simply picked an older rapper whose equally culturally relevant for certain lines. In no shape does that mean I view them equally skilled hence the distinction of Pusha/West - which you disagree. A polished West drops his ridiculous Hitler/Wrestling gimmick & leans into his struggle to braggadocios imagery of art, drugs, models, fashion while championing NY ....
horrible comparison. And if you know anything about him as a poster hes not a jayz stan lol :hhh:
 

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I knew the moment I hit send, I activated the bat signal for the Jaystice League. Part of the reason I hate discussing rappers from 1995 - 2005. I simply picked an older rapper whose equally culturally relevant for certain lines. In no shape does that mean I view them equally skilled hence the distinction of Pusha/West - which you disagree. A polished West drops his ridiculous Hitler/Wrestling gimmick & leans into his struggle to braggadocios imagery of art, drugs, models, fashion while championing NY ....

I stopped reading at "Jaystice League" lol

But no, I get where you were trying to go I just think it's off base, especially in the context of the origonal discussion.

If you're looking for an equally culturally relevant comparison it's unfortunately Drake. Skill wise maybe more along the lines of Ab-Soul, he has that same level of wit at least and is what you get when you have a Jay-Z type that doesn't make the effort to ride that fence, rhyming like Common Sense as it were.
 

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What type of music do u think younger people would listen to the 90s. :mjlol:


... in the early-90s . .. . this one kid our age was ashamed to admit that his uncle was in this group . . . . if you asked him about it he would get extra-heated and want to scrap . . ..

 

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What type of music do u think younger people would listen to the 90s. :mjlol:


I’m saying they probably didn’t listen to Jay in the 90’s. Or Pac, or Big & Nas or anyone before what they listen to. They criticize Jay because he kept it rap until later in his career then commercialized some of his music. Has he ever sung on his hooks? Not really.
 

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Worst thing Jay-Z ever did was keep his music off of Youtube all streaming platforms except for Tidal for years. Tidal failed, he got paid and a whole generation had little to no access to his music.

Now he's mainly known as Beyonce's husband musically. Add in the fact that most of his music didn't "age" well as far as being easily accessible or even casual.
 

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Many rockers especially Indie Rock do not fck with The Beatles at all. They say 'Let it Be' is their only good joint.



Powerful for sure :russ:


Edits are in.

Still on parent duty.

That i will comeback and tackle.
How the grief csndy from big death. Lead to failure in vol one and success. In the sonic landscape change era of volume two.


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Imagine listening to the reasonable doubt or the blueprint and saying "this didn't age well".
Nigg it didn't. That shyt is not playable in today's landscape, especially RD.

Now 400 Degreez, Chopper City in the Ghetto, and Life After Death still hit and resonate with today's time. Play Notorious Thugs and then play Can't No Nigg and you'll see how weak Jays shyt really hits
 
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