why dont insane clown posse get their props?.

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Link? I don't think it ever seen that

Side note: not until the past few years have I noticed more and more non whites (specifically black) attending hardcore/punk shows, fronting bands etc etc. like 5 years ago there was only one black kid who went to shows regularly but now there's A LOT more. I think it's great.
Me too.

What changed my life was seeing the bad brains live at afropunk last year...people forget they are ogs and pioneers of dc punk and punk in general. Also you had some lesssr known old school nyc hardcore bands that have puerto rican cats black people asian people etc.

Like when i was getting into it in the mid 90s people thought it was mainly some white boy stuff but damn near all of punk is anti establishment anti corruption politically aware anti racism sexism homophobia. But as i got older i saw mad spanish and black folks and asian.kids at those show. POC punks always existed. Because the punk subculture, much like the hip-hop subculture was all about acceptance. You even had queer punks even though people like to think of punk as some violent hypermasculine angry music. Punk like hip hop is at its core rebel music...like reggae. In fact growing up with reggae in my family actuly put me onto ska. One of my favorite grouos is Operation Ivy...which pretty much birthed Rancid one of the dopest bands ive ever heard. They were the last commercially accepted punk band but they were actually punk.

I was actually the lead singer in a hardcore band from 1999-2001.

Like some of my favorite bands are DOA and Agnostic Front and ive met some of those dudes after the show and gave props and they were like "cool".

As well...people forget the first wave of punk stems directly from reggae and ska in working class neighborhoods in london in the 50s/60s an indirect relative of mod culture Skinhead culture actually stems from white british ska/reggae culture and has nothing to do with racism in its origins.


But yeah...im finding that clip.
 

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Icp is for outcasts who are desperate to be accepted. Its no coincedence every juggalo i know is some lame nerd with no friends who needs other lames and their lame shock music to feel like they apart of aomething. I only knew 3 here in jerz and one of them switched to a lame wannabe crip saying loc and shyt. These kids have no identity and think theyre cool when in reality its just a group of betas coming together.

Icp the group i have no problem with tho. More power too them. But the people who follow their every move are some desperate motherfukkers who cling to their "shock" music in ofder to be accepted by other lames.

Think back to your highschool and how lame n outcast those juggalo kids were and youll know what ik talking about

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All respect due, I have a more diverse taste in music since I moved out of Baltimore.

A lot of the classics musically, but I would not put ICP and Eminem in the same category. I get artists like the Geto Boys performed for that shyt show but Rakim, the God emcee, called Eminem the Ali of rap.

And Em isn't obsessed with butterflies or spray Fargo.

I'm a huge Tom Waits and Leonard Cohen fan, and I'm from Baltimore City. I'm just calling out some bullshyt and this myth of where ICP are from yet where they claim to rep.
Yeah lyrically icp cant be compared to anyone. They do their own thing. I wouldn't put ICP and Eminem.in the same category either simply because em's delivery skill level lyrical styles and flows are lightyears beyond what icp has delivered. Then again Eminem was trying to compete with MCs. Always has been. He came up in the battle circuit has actually held his own on tracks and freestyles and is more respected amongst hip hop's elite like the gawd MC Rakim.

ICP operates the same.lane as people like Johnathan Toth from Hoth and MC Paul Barman imo...they rap but they make it their own.
 

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i'm not cac

here in oakland definately seen non white juggalos who are usually black or latin and are also tech 9 fans. i will say this, every rapper would kill to have a fanbase like ICP, they acutally buy shyt and support shyt and they been around well over 20 years. you cant argue with that.
 

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Yeah lyrically icp cant be compared to anyone. They do their own thing. I wouldn't put ICP and Eminem.in the same category either simply because em's delivery skill level lyrical styles and flows are lightyears beyond what icp has delivered. Then again Eminem was trying to compete with MCs. Always has been. He came up in the battle circuit has actually held his own on tracks and freestyles and is more respected amongst hip hop's elite like the gawd MC Rakim.

ICP operates the same.lane as people like Johnathan Toth from Hoth and MC Paul Barman imo...they rap but they make it their own.

Fair enough.
 

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Icp is for outcasts who are desperate to be accepted. Its no coincedence every juggalo i know is some lame nerd with no friends who needs other lames and their lame shock music to feel like they apart of aomething. I only knew 3 here in jerz and one of them switched to a lame wannabe crip saying loc and shyt. These kids have no identity and think theyre cool when in reality its just a group of betas coming together.

Icp the group i have no problem with tho. More power too them. But the people who follow their every move are some desperate motherfukkers who cling to their "shock" music in ofder to be accepted by other lames.

Think back to your highschool and how lame n outcast those juggalo kids were and youll know what ik talking about
Lol.

ICP doesnt operate anywhere in the hip hop world. Not really accepted by the majority of rap fans and critics but they found a niche.

Atleast those people found somewhere to belong...lol.
I feel ya. Some self proclaimed juggalos ive met were social misfits but ive met some fans of theirs that dont rock the make up that just genuinely enjoy their music and arent socially awkward.

Ive never met a fan of theirs who put them over any rappers in anything besides preferences to listen to though.
 

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Their music is horrible....I respect they started their own movement and all that but musically....
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Lol.

ICP doesnt operate anywhere in the hip hop world. Not really accepted by the majority of rap fans and critics but they found a niche.

Atleast those people found somewhere to belong...lol.
I feel ya. Some self proclaimed juggalos ive met were social misfits but ive met some fans of theirs that dont rock the make up that just genuinely enjoy their music and arent socially awkward.

Ive never met a fan of theirs who put them over any rappers in anything besides preferences to listen to though.
Im happy prople can be acceppted but that shyt aint for me. Reminds me if a buncha hillbillies doing drugs just being weird for the fukk of it. Not my scene but more power to anyone who finds solace in that.thats why icp themselves i have no problem with. Its the people they attract that are the true weirdoa
 

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Me too.

What changed my life was seeing the bad brains live at afropunk last year...people forget they are ogs and pioneers of dc punk and punk in general. Also you had some lesssr known old school nyc hardcore bands that have puerto rican cats black people asian people etc.

Like when i was getting into it in the mid 90s people thought it was mainly some white boy stuff but damn near all of punk is anti establishment anti corruption politically aware anti racism sexism homophobia. But as i got older i saw mad spanish and black folks and asian.kids at those show. POC punks always existed. Because the punk subculture, much like the hip-hop subculture was all about acceptance. You even had queer punks even though people like to think of punk as some violent hypermasculine angry music. Punk like hip hop is at its core rebel music...like reggae. In fact growing up with reggae in my family actuly put me onto ska. One of my favorite grouos is Operation Ivy...which pretty much birthed Rancid one of the dopest bands ive ever heard. They were the last commercially accepted punk band but they were actually punk.

I was actually the lead singer in a hardcore band from 1999-2001.

Like some of my favorite bands are DOA and Agnostic Front and ive met some of those dudes after the show and gave props and they were like "cool".

As well...people forget the first wave of punk stems directly from reggae and ska in working class neighborhoods in london in the 50s/60s an indirect relative of mod culture Skinhead culture actually stems from white british ska/reggae culture and has nothing to do with racism in its origins.


But yeah...im finding that clip.
When i moved to south jersey, the hip hop scene was pretty much non existant in the mid 90s coming from nyc. My crew was actually the punk rock kids and we always went to philly for shows for guys like cold world, leftover crack, agnostic front and jersey shyt like the misfits. So im no stranger to crazy screnes like juggalos. As a hip hop head i gelled with thise punk/hardcore heada more than anyone and they still my best friends to this day tho we all split.

Thats cool you into that shyt. Its different. I respect all music cultures but the juggalo shyt is just extra strange to me
 

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When i moved to south jersey, the hip hop scene was pretty much non existant in the mid 90s coming from nyc. My crew was actually the punk rock kids and we always went to philly for shows for guys like cold world, leftover crack, agnostic front and jersey shyt like the misfits. So im no stranger to crazy screnes like juggalos. As a hip hop head i gelled with thise punk/hardcore heada more than anyone and they still my best friends to this day tho we all split.

Thats cool you into that shyt. Its different. I respect all music cultures but the juggalo shyt is just extra strange to me

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Me too.

What changed my life was seeing the bad brains live at afropunk last year...people forget they are ogs and pioneers of dc punk and punk in general. Also you had some lesssr known old school nyc hardcore bands that have puerto rican cats black people asian people etc.

Like when i was getting into it in the mid 90s people thought it was mainly some white boy stuff but damn near all of punk is anti establishment anti corruption politically aware anti racism sexism homophobia. But as i got older i saw mad spanish and black folks and asian.kids at those show. POC punks always existed. Because the punk subculture, much like the hip-hop subculture was all about acceptance. You even had queer punks even though people like to think of punk as some violent hypermasculine angry music. Punk like hip hop is at its core rebel music...like reggae. In fact growing up with reggae in my family actuly put me onto ska. One of my favorite grouos is Operation Ivy...which pretty much birthed Rancid one of the dopest bands ive ever heard. They were the last commercially accepted punk band but they were actually punk.

I was actually the lead singer in a hardcore band from 1999-2001.

Like some of my favorite bands are DOA and Agnostic Front and ive met some of those dudes after the show and gave props and they were like "cool".

As well...people forget the first wave of punk stems directly from reggae and ska in working class neighborhoods in london in the 50s/60s an indirect relative of mod culture Skinhead culture actually stems from white british ska/reggae culture and has nothing to do with racism in its origins.


But yeah...im finding that clip.

That's awesome.

And yes, black people and people of color were instrumental in the formation of hardcore/punk as a genre. the UK always get credit for starting punk with talk of garage rock and psychedelic rock in the 60s and shyt being like the pre-cursor to influence 70s and 80s UK punk but Los Saicos was a band from Peru who was making punk in 64.



Did you ever listen to Pete wentz band before he did Fall Out Boy? they were called Racetraitor and were a black power 90s metalcore band. Check out the album "Burn The Idol Of The White Messiah"

I like Agnostic Fro

And Very true. A lot of people don't know that or the history of the mods and skinhead culture, they assume all skinheads and skinhead bands are racist.
 

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Not a fan but they've never sold out for record sales and have done it their way to great success. You gotta respect that at least :salute:
 

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Link to some bands? I stopped going to shows in 08-09 but you're right about the past. I grew up in Southern California though so we had plenty of mexican dudes from surrounding areas.

I have to be up in like 3 hours so I'll link you some more but here's this pretty good band from Ohio I've been into

 
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