Why Don't NBA rookies score like they used to?

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What pace gotta do with them attempting 19, 18, 17 shots per game. MJ shot 20. I love how ya'll keep pointing to overall league or team trends like we aren't talking about individual players.



Says the person who has yet to explain how a 21 year old Kobe or KG wouldn't have performed better as rookies.

I brought up Kobe and KG to reply to the post wanting the draft age to be age 21. Great distortion attempt though
 

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I brought up Kobe and KG to reply to the post wanting the draft age to be age 21. Great distortion attempt though

Naw the distortion is you failing to respond to this.

What pace gotta do with them attempting 19, 18, 17 shots per game. MJ shot 20. I love how ya'll keep pointing to overall league or team trends like we aren't talking about individual players.



Says the person who has yet to explain how a 21 year old Kobe or KG wouldn't have performed better as rookies.
 

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Naw the distortion is you failing to respond to this.

Seventeen points is difference in average team points per game between 1985 and 2004. One could say the game was played differently in a different era. I'm sure you think 25 qbs in the NFL are greater than Bart Starr and Roger Staubach because numbers. Historical context be dammed.
 

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Seventeen points is difference in average team points per game between 1985 and 2004. One could say the game was played differently in a different era. I'm sure you think 25 qbs in the NFL are greater than Bart Starr and Roger Staubach because numbers. Historical context be dammed.

What context do you need for damn near the same number of shots being taken? :heh:.
 

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So playing in the nba earlier doesn't actually help players?
not really.. it's a cold thing to say "throw them to the wolves and they'll get tougher" but it rarely works out like that

think of a video game... you read the book for 3 mins and learn the buttons.. then they throw it on the hardest difficulty and say "have at it"

you're not going to START off being better than the guy who read the book for 30 mins and got 3 hours to practice on easy and normal... then plays on hard




these dudes are playing high school learning from scrub high school coaches... then get to college where they play with better people, get better coaching, play better opponents, but they are still learning the basics... high school basics ain't really shyt... they getting used to national travel, press, broads, money (under the table), not to mention the basketball skills

honing that for 3-4 years is going to make you better prepared than 1 year... and that's why you had better ROOKIES.. more well rounded players.. more fundamentals



now if we just comparing age.... 1 guy went straight to the league, his twin went to college... who's the better nba player at the age of 25.... well i don't think that's been looked into as to which breeds better players overall
 

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Also---people would come into the league as proven commodities...NBA drafts on potential now so you got a bunch of young unpolished cats trying to ball.
Yeah, this was why the 2011 Draft was thought of as TERRIBLE at the time but actually wound up being one of the better ones in recent years. Had guys like Kawhi, Butler, and Parsons had 2 extra college years and proven themselves, they would've all been top 10 lottery picks over all of those busts and foreign players.

Because drafts are based so much on potential nowadays, you're gonna start seeing more players outside of the lottery emerging as stars. Unproven potential don't always pan out.
 

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Yeah, this was why the 2011 Draft was thought of as TERRIBLE at the time but actually wound up being one of the better ones in recent years. Had guys like Kawhi, Butler, and Parsons had 2 extra college years and proven themselves, they would've all been top 10 lottery picks over all of those busts and foreign players.

Because drafts are based so much on potential nowadays, you're gonna start seeing more players outside of the lottery emerging as stars. Unproven potential don't always pan out.

Sarcasm? Leonard played 2 years at SDSU, Butler & Parsons were both 4 year players.

And the only outright busts taken in the top 10 were Derrick Williams, Jan Vesely & Jimmer Fredette. Williams played at Arizona for 2 years, Vesely was 21 at the start of his rookie year and Jimmer was a 4 year college player.

And also every player in the draft is unproven potential. There is no such thing as a proven commodity when it comes to the draft. Frank Kaminsky & Willie Cauley-Stein are just as "unproven" as Karl Towns & Okafor
 
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