why dont women propose to men?

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if you a girl and you don't care for traditional gender roles or you are one of those women who try so hard to act/be like a man ... you shouldn't have any qualms about who is proposing and suddenly play up the woman card.

:mindblown: if a guy cooks or cleans is he acting like a woman? if he is a stay at home parent is he acting like a woman? there is no acting like a woman or a man. society has told us how we are supposed to behave. are you traditional all around? do you hold a job servicing whites? or are you only traditional in areas that put you in a superior position?
 
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:mindblown: if a guy cooks or cleans is he acting like a woman? if he is a stay at home parent is he acting like a woman? there is no acting like a woman or a man. society has told us how we are supposed to behave. are you traditional all around? do you hold a job servicing whites? or are you only traditional in areas that put you in a superior position?

Maybe I should have elaborated. I am more so traditional in terms of gender roles and such. I believe men should be the provider, men should be confident enough to take charge, etc. I think being able to cook and other homely qualities are characteristics a woman should have. I'm not saying if a chick can't cook she's worthless or anything, but this basically is how I think in a generalized sense. So when I say "acting like a man", I am talking about women who are quick to get into a guy's face provoking him physically, women who refuse to learn how to cook because they think it oppresses them or whatever, etc ... which is all fine and is their business but if they do the aforementioned then they shouldn't be playing up the women card and saying that men should propose because "they are men" when they obviously forsake traditional roles when it is convenient to them.

As for the second part of your post ... what do you mean, all around? And what do you mean hold a job servicing whites lol? Please elaborate.
 

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:mindblown: if a guy cooks or cleans is he acting like a woman? if he is a stay at home parent is he acting like a woman? there is no acting like a woman or a man. society has told us how we are supposed to behave. are you traditional all around? do you hold a job servicing whites? or are you only traditional in areas that put you in a superior position?

so you wouldnt mind taking that step and grabbing yo man hand in marriage?
 

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Stop makin lies up about me wait...

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Always someone trying to talk shyt to make a "name" for himself.
 
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so you wouldnt mind taking that step and grabbing yo man hand in marriage?

i'm not getting married. i don't have kids, so i don't feel there is any reason for me to get married. i will never have kids, so i will never get married. if other women want to propose, then i am not against that
 

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i got that fakkit ass nikka on ignore
smh why nikkas gotta act like bytches

nikka thru me off one day i thought i was talkin to a female
You not knowing the difference between a man and a woman isn't my fault you fukking moron. Nothing about me says "hey guys I'm a female." That's your fault for being a fukking thirsty loser.
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i'm not getting married. i don't have kids, so i don't feel there is any reason for me to get married. i will never have kids, so i will never get married. if other women want to propose, then i am not against that

oh thats wassup
i want kids but idk about marriage.
if i get married i want it be to a girl thats not all pressed about marriage
 
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So when I say "acting like a man", I am talking about women who are quick to get into a guy's face provoking him physically, women who refuse to learn how to cook because they think it oppresses them or whatever, etc ... which is all fine and is their business but if they do the aforementioned then they shouldn't be playing up the women card and saying that men should propose because "they are men" when they obviously forsake traditional roles when it is convenient to them.

As for the second part of your post ... what do you mean, all around? And what do you mean hold a job servicing whites lol? Please elaborate.
i asked about if you had a job servicing whites because the tradition you are saying you adhere to also puts blacks in a position to service, cater to and respect authority of whites.

you chose to stick to keeping traditional gender because it puts you in a position of authority. you don't stick to racial tradition in this country because it puts you in a position of inferiority. don't you think that as humans, women would seek out exactly what you seek out? not to be inferior?

you say these modern women dislike gender roles, :what: i don't understand why black men expected for black women to feel empowered enough to challenge racial supremacy but that somehow those seeds of empowerment would not grow to see that gender supremacy is very similar to racial supremacy. i realize you did not mention bw specifically, but as the conversation relates to race and gender intersecting i think it is a little relevant. sometimes i feel like you guys want girls to have just enough pride so that you aren't embarrassed to date her but not so much pride that she thinks she's as good as you are or better

like you're saying "you don't belong in the white man's kitchen"








"you belong in my kitchen" :youngsabo:
 
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i asked about if you had a job servicing whites because the tradition you are saying you adhere to also puts blacks in a position to service, cater to and respect authority of whites.

you chose to stick to keeping traditional gender because it puts you in a position of authority. you don't stick to racial tradition in this country because it puts you in a position of inferiority. don't you think that as humans, women would seek out exactly what you seek out? not to be inferior?

you say these modern women dislike gender roles, :what: i don't understand why black men expected for black women to feel empowered enough to challenge racial supremacy but that somehow those seeds of empowerment would not grow to see that gender supremacy is very similar to racial supremacy. i realize you did not mention bw specifically, but as the conversation relates to race and gender intersecting i think it is a little relevant. sometimes i feel like you guys want girls to have just enough pride so that you aren't embarrassed to date her but not so much pride that she thinks she's as good as you are or better

like you're saying "you don't belong in the white man's kitchen"








"you belong in my kitchen" :youngsabo:

Lol, I don't think that is the most appropriate analogy, but for this discussion's sake, it wouldn't really apply anyways because ...

1. I am not currently living in the United States, nor am I working in the United States.

2. I am not from the United States.

3. I am biracial, and have lived in many different parts of the world.

So my values were shaped by experiences that isn't limited to social issues in America.

And I didn't put a blanket definition over what a "modern woman" is, you did. I simply stated that if a woman dislikes gender roles, insisting that a man should propose BECAUSE of a gender role is pretty spurious and foolish. That is all. Race was never bought up until you replied.

Hope that clears it up for you. Unless you were trolling or trying to bait some sort of an antagonistic response outta me ... if so then :manny:
 
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Lol, I don't think that is the most appropriate analogy, but for this discussion's sake, it wouldn't really apply anyways because ...

1. I am not currently living in the United States, nor am I working in the United States.

2. I am not from the United States.

3. I am biracial, and have lived in many different parts of the world.

So my values were shaped by experiences that are much more larger than social issues in America.

And I didn't put a blanket definition over what a "modern woman" is, you did. I simply stated that if a woman dislikes gender roles, insisting that a man should propose BECAUSE of a gender role is pretty spurious and foolish. That is all. Race was never bought up until you replied.

Hope that clears it up for you. Unless you were trolling or trying to bait some sort of an antagonistic response outta me ... if so then :manny:

1. i brought up race because you brought up tradition and roles. traditional ways that race and gender are seen is not just limited to america although i recognize there are variations of how this is expressed.

2. i assumed you were black because your username ThatKidBlackHippy :why: but i guess since you are biracial, black issues and history don't affect you :what:

3. the behavior you described (women getting in men's faces provoking them) sounded like stereotypes of american women that men are promoting. i apologize for mistaking your location, but unless where you are from doesn't have a gender supremacy issue then i stand by my argument. considering you believe women have a role, i think it is safe to say where you are from does have gender supremacy
 
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1. i brought up race because you brought up tradition and roles. traditional ways that race and gender are seen is not just limited to america although i recognize there are variations of how this is expressed.

2. i assumed you were black because your username ThatKidBlackHippy :why: but i guess since you are biracial, black issues and history don't affect you :what:

3. the behavior you described (women getting in men's faces provoking them) sounded like stereotypes of american women that men are promoting. i apologize for mistaking your location, but unless where you are from doesn't have a gender supremacy issue then i stand by my argument. considering you believe women have a role, i think it is safe to say where you are from does have gender supremacy

I am half black, spent a good part of my childhood in Cali. But I also lived in Africa, Southeast Asia, Europe and The Middle East ... so traditions does vary from regions to regions, from one extreme to the other ... so yeah, I am sure no one place explicitly dictated how I turned out.

And of course black history and racial issues affect me, but I think the way you are trying to bring it into this is kind of a reach :laugh:

Again, this was about woman proposing to men. I stated that I personally think men should propose, but women who don't care for "traditional" gender roles come off hypocritical if they want men to propose simply because they are men. (there were some in the thread), that's all. If we were talking about gender supremacy, whether sexism exists etc etc ... that would be an entirely different topic.
 
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I am half black, spent a good part of my childhood in Cali.

And of course black history and racial issues affect me, but I think the way you are trying to bring it into this is kind of a reach :laugh:

:leostare: :leostare: so the states were relevant. the places you named had colonialism that caused what i am speaking about as well. you bought up the fact that you were biracial like what i was saying didn't apply to you, and that is what i said what i said in sarcasm.

i agree that a feminist who refuses to propose due to gender traditions is hypocritical. i simply disliked you implying that women and men had some natural way to behave in areas like cooking and cleaning. race got involved because i wanted to point out that is was hypocritical for blacks who descend from slaves or even just colonized areas to feel they are equal for their race but women are somehow not equal for their gender.

so that feminist not wanting to propose is a hypocrite, but that black guy who feels he's equal but his woman should stay in the kitchen is a hypocrite as well.
 
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i agree that a feminist who refuses to propose due to gender traditions is hypocritical. i simply disliked you implying that women and men had some natural way to behave in areas like cooking and cleaning. race got involved because i wanted to point out that is was hypocritical for blacks who descend from slaves or even just colonized areas to feel they are equal for their race but women are somehow not equal for their gender.

so that feminist not wanting to propose is a hypocrite, but that black guy who feels he's equal but his woman should stay in the kitchen is a hypocrite as well.

I never said or implied that women were inferior and "had to stay in the kitchen". Men and women are equal in worth, I never said otherwise, but that doesn't mean I can't think that to a good extent some of the more traditional gender roles do work, especially if both sides agree to it and mutually expect the other to adhere to it. This doesn't mean I think one is superior/inferior to the other, because one could easily flip what I said into "oh you think men are inferior because they have to propose?", etc.

the places you named had colonialism that caused what i am speaking about as well

Some of them. Not all. Which is why I said it doesn't apply because I am not a byproduct some sort of prototype societal mold.

I bought up the fact that I am biracial and all that because you were trying to put me in a convenient little box to make your theory fit ... sometimes it doesn't.

If you misread my tone to be misogynistic and thought I was implying women were inferior and had to do "xyz", I am not. I just said I favored certain traditional roles (that applied to both men and women, even if many today don't necessary care for anymore) in general. I was giving a background to my reasoning to why I think men should be the one to propose.

Could agree to disagree, or keep going in circles.
 
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