Why drugs are so expensive

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The USA does more research than several of the next major countries combined. It's that simple.
That makes no sense. Why would someone buying lipitor need to subsidize research for all other drugs researched? Shouldnt the pay something related to wjat it cost to bring lipitor to existence and market? And I dont accept your premise-the us does more research than many countries combined-at all, I'm just playing along until i sit somewhere i can look a reliable source refuting it.
 

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YOu're being dense.

Its more than one thing

1. They charge more because americans are wealthier and are a larger market
2. US R&D supplants the rest of the world.
Doesn't it seem to you that #1 ridiculously obviates #2, especially in a capitalist system, and to the point where it is irrelevant and laughable to even pretend that #2 matters in any way?
 

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That makes no sense. Why would someone buying lipitor need to subsidize research for all other drugs researched?
because shyt ain't free, dummy. And there has to be an incentive to create that drug.
Shouldnt the pay something related to wjat it cost to bring lipitor to existence and market?
you're answering your own question.

And I dont accept your premise-the us does more research than many countries combined-at all, I'm just playing along until i sit somewhere i can look a reliable source refuting it.
Fine. Don't believe me then. Go look it up.

List of countries by research and development spending - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Doesn't it seem to you that #1 ridiculously obviates #2, especially in a capitalist system, and to the point where it is irrelevant and laughable to even pretend that #2 matters in any way?
It does matter.

For every drug that makes it, THOUSANDS don't. Especially with high-throughput screenings and the tons of dead-ends that go utterly no where.

You truly have no understanding of the scale of investment that goes into finding ONE possible choice.
 

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430mil pre-human, 965mil clinical...why does it cost that much?


because it's an elimination process .... and it takes forever because different elements and compounds are used to treat that specific pathogen

Genetic disorders can have synthetic compounds designed in the lab too

After that are concerns about toxicity, attacks from the organisms antibodies etc all have to be considered...

Then tested over and over again.....with human subjects .......this takes years

You should see the pages on FDA drug approvals with the research included ...it can be bible sized

The equipment, salaries, rent and sterilization costs are high but if it pulls through :wow:
 

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because it's an elimination process .... and it takes forever because different elements and compounds are used to treat that specific pathogen

Genetic disorders can have synthetic compounds designed in the lab too

After that are concerns about toxicity, attacks from the organisms antibodies etc all have to be considered...

Then tested over and over again.....with human subjects .......this takes years

You should see the pages on FDA drug approvals with the research included ...it can be bible sized

The equipment, salaries, rent and sterilization costs are high but if it pulls through :wow:
Nah, fukk all that. Why isn't it free? :troll:
 

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because shyt ain't free, dummy.
woah!:ohhh: slow down genius let me get a pen:skip:, so my argument that things are free is wrong you say?:ohhh:
And there has to be an incentive to create that drug.
helping Humanity?:dahell: Having a product that you can sell for a fair price?:wtf:
you're answering your own question.
ahh...no...no...not at all
How you keep posting links that body your argument is beyond me:mjlol:
The next 2 countries/regions listed spend more than the US :deadmanny:
and your link isn't even particular to Pharm:mjlol:
It does matter.

For every drug that makes it, THOUSANDS don't. Especially with high-throughput screenings and the tons of dead-ends that go utterly no where.

You truly have no understanding of the scale of investment that goes into finding ONE possible choice.
So in China for every drug that makes it, zero don't?:ohhh:


you're such a light weight:mjlol:
 
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woah!:ohhh: slow down genius let me get a pen:skip:, so my argument that things are free is wrong you say?:ohhh:
Not if you want to incentivize people to pursue hard, unrewarding, hole-in-ones that may not even completely solve complex problems.

helping Humanity?:dahell: Having a product that you can sell for a fair price?:wtf:
Patents protect American handwork and ingenuity. When those expire, generics take advantage of those market forces.

ahh...no...no...not at all
Yes. You are. The price of a drug reflects the R&D and manufacturing costs.
How you keep posting links that body your argument is beyond me:mjlol:
You don't understand big pharma. Which is understandable considering how dismissive you are about basic concepts that preclude from getting in the door of any of these companies.
The next 2 countries/regions spend more than the US :deadmanny:
And produce none of the drugs, no where near as much valuable research or any of the profound discovery.
and your link isn't even particular to Pharm:mjlol:
Look it up. I've worked in labs researching drug targets. You haven't.
So in China for every drug that makes it, zero don't?:ohhh:

What?
you're such a light weight:mjlol:
You're in an area you don't understand.
 

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Not if you want to incentivize people to pursue hard, unrewarding, hole-in-ones that may not even completely solve complex problems.
Then why are so many key drugs invented in other countries where prices are cheaper?
Patents protect American handwork and ingenuity. When those expire, generics take advantage of those market forces.
wait wait I had put my pen down, let me take some notes
this is some brilliant irrelevant stuff you droppin'
Yes. You are. The price of a drug reflects the R&D and manufacturing costs.
Then why does it not reflect in other countries which spend even a higher percentage of their gdp on R&D?
You don't understand big pharma. Which is understandable considering how dismissive you are about basic concepts that preclude from getting in the door of any of these companies.
I have yet to find someone who knows anything you are discussing when they or the plain facts disagree with you :mjlol:
And produce none of the drugs, no where near as much valuable research or any of the profound discovery.

Look it up. I've worked in labs researching drug targets. You haven't.
:duck:
:banderas:
You're in an area you don't understand.
Which Countries Excel in Creating New Drugs? It’s Complicated | Xconomy
sure buddy
 

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Then why are so many key drugs invented in other countries where prices are cheaper?

wait wait I had put my pen down, let me take some notes
this is some brilliant irrelevant stuff you droppin'

Then why does it not reflect in other countries which spend even a higher percentage of their gdp on R&D?

I have yet to find someone who knows anything you are discussing when they or the plain facts disagree with you :mjlol:



:duck:

:banderas:

Which Countries Excel in Creating New Drugs? It’s Complicated | Xconomy
sure buddy
The USA is the innovator in drugs, other countries can't afford to pay more, and R&D isn't cheap.

Theres free seminars at local colleges and universities with talks discussing this shyt all the time. I suggest you go and try to learn a few things. This is nothing new.
READ THESE before you reply to me. I could post lecture notes, pdfs, powerpoint slides etc...but you're just truly uninformed. Hell, two days ago I was an in-service training about a similar topic.










































 

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The USA is the innovator in drugs
Nope!
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other countries can't afford to pay more
Really Europeans seem to be doing pretty good, yet they pay far less than we do for drugs
Distribution of wealth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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and R&D isn't cheap
Woah Einstein!!! Really is it less expensive in Europe?:mjlol:
 

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Nope!
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Really Europeans seem to be doing pretty good, yet they pay far less than we do for drugs
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Woah Einstein!!! Really is it less expensive in Europe?:mjlol:
Had you read what I posted, you'd know this was false.

For example, your notion about them negotiating drugs?

Thats false for several reasons because the US bans insurance companies from not covering drugs that only offer marginal improvements of outcomes. So $40,000 drugs will still be on the table and covered. Thus driving costs.

Other nations don't do that because they say, if you can't get it down, despite any marginal improvement in efficacy, we won't cover it until you show that it radically changes outcomes.
 

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Had you read what I posted, you'd know this was false.

For example, your notion about them negotiating drugs?

Thats false for several reasons because the US bans insurance companies from not covering drugs that only offer marginal improvements of outcomes. So $40,000 drugs will still be on the table and covered. Thus driving costs.

Other nations don't do that because they say, if you can't get it down, despite any marginal improvement in efficacy, we won't cover it until you show that it radically changes outcomes.
yeah right, it's cuz I did not read your bullshyt:mjlol:
I'll take the Sanford PhD with the data over your shilling self and a bunch of reddit posts:mjlol:
 

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