Why has Jordan's supporting casts gotten so overrated?

[Luck]

Outside of the fact that most people that seen mj don’t question why he is the position he is as far as bein the standard for the greatest of all time in any aspect, when you have to try to downgrade others to big up yourself ( or Lebron like these cock suckin stans here do ) you already kill whatever argument you had in the first place because when a person is at the pinnacle of whatever they’re doin in like, their body of work speaks for itself and doesn’t need to be ‘sold’ to anyone...

 

[The_Third_Man]

the other day cats were saying Bison Dele would be top 5 center in this era. now Jordan supporting cast is overrated?

it wasn't only a matter of the bulls' individual talent being good (which they are), it's the triangle offense being a perfect device to take advantage of Jordan as the greatest scoring machine ever while allowing every player to touch the ball.

they were even better on the defensive end. their pressure-and-help defense, devised by the underrated John Bach, was key for their championships.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Why is Jordan's supporting cast relevant in 2018?!?!

 

[Gothboi J]

How can ppl make the argument that LeBron faced stiffer competition than MJ, and that MJ played against a bunch of unathletic CAC's, without acknowledging that MJ had those same unathletic cacs on his team too. If you acknowledge that LeBron had to face stiffer competition(which I somewhat agree with) you'd also have to consider that LeBrons teams and supporting cast were also collectively more talented and athletic than Jordans.

Of course this is tru. But imagine 2018 bron being placed in mike shoes. Those teams wouldn't even know what to do with him. And NOBODY I the NBA would be able to match him physically. Now put 90s mike in today's NBA, just make the nikka shoot and y'all gone be alright. Don't get it twisted mike would still be a all star but he not dominating in this era like he did back then. He would be derozan with more heart

 

[Originalman]

Yeah, but the Magic were severely banged up and injured in ‘96 for the ECF (Grant, Anderson, Shaw, Koncak). Shaq and Penny were dolo.

And Jordan’s ‘96 Finals weren’t that good and he could have arguably lost the series if Payton was on him from jump.

Actually in the 96 finals folks questioned coach karl for not doubling MJ as he had other star players. He finally put payton on him in either games 3 or 4 and began to run doubles at him especially when he got in the post to post up.

Folks forget one of the reasons that the sonics team gave hakeem and the rockets hell was because they played swarming defense and doubled a lot but had the speed and quickness to get back to shooters. Especially when they played ball

There issue was also shooters or not being able to shoot/get cold.....which was the reasons they lost to mutumbo's denver team. And had earlier loses in the first round when kemp and payton were young (which was a reason kemp and especially payton improved their mid range jumpers).

I remember when payton was a youngster and teams wouldn't even guard him when he was taking mid range jumpers. Thankfully he improved on that which culminated in the 60 plus win team in 1994. But sadly everyones jumper went cold against denver and having kendall Gill at SG guard (who was traded and the sonics got hersey hawkins during the offseason) did not help because he was not good at stretching the defense from 3 point range.

 

[RammerJammer]

Bro the 90s NBA was garbage asf. Half them nikkas wouldn't make a roster today

You a lie bro

 

[King Harlem]

During the time many people considered those Bulls teams (and still do) amongst the greatest teams of all time. And of course it's largely due to Jordan, but also his supporting cast. Doesn't make Jordan any less great. You can't win several championship without having a strong supporting cast. Basketball is a team sport.

 

[Gothboi J]

You a lie bro

Old nikkas in they feelings. Ur chance of making the NBA in today's league is not good if u can't make three. And most players frm the 90s can't make threes.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Of course this is tru. But imagine 2018 bron being placed in mike shoes. Those teams wouldn't even know what to do with him. And NOBODY I the NBA would be able to match him physically. Now put 90s mike in today's NBA, just make the nikka shoot and y'all gone be alright. Don't get it twisted mike would still be a all star but he not dominating in this era like he did back then. He would be derozan with more heart

Fukk kinda opinion is this. You got a brain injury

 

[Rigby.]

Breh you know we cool but you gotta stop fronting like Bron has had all the advantages in the game while MJ has had none

Edit: and no one says like this talent would be GOAT in today’s stacked league. The argument is always relative. Jordan’s teams were stacked compared to his era. Man went against Utah with 80% cacs on their roster twice...ain’t nothing wrong with admitting he had a better squad than that

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Pippen did a better job on Magic in the 1991 finals, Pippen also outscored Jordan in the closeout game.....


Pippen led the comeback in game 6 of the 1992 finals .......while MJ was on the bench, let it be someone else all you'd hear is he got "saved"

So you cherry pick 2 games

Pippen was a great defensive player no argument here.

But again y'all stay overrating him. That doesn't mean I don't think he wasn't a great player

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Breh you know we cool but you gotta stop fronting like Bron has had all the advantages in the game while MJ has had none

Edit: and no one says like this talent would be GOAT in today’s stacked league. The argument is always relative. Jordan’s teams were stacked compared to his era. Man went against Utah with 80% cacs on their roster twice...ain’t nothing wrong with admitting he had a better squad than that

Y'all ninjas act like Bron's supporting cast has always been trash when it was better than Jordan's

All I'm saying is Jordan's support has been overrated.

The way people talk about Pippen in Rodman is freaking ridiculous.

As for the bold. Just stupid

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Believe that all Dennis Rodman was was a rebounding specialist, brehs


Rodman was a straight up nuisance on the court.

Ok. And yet NO ONE would ever even try to build a team around.

He's not even a top 20 PF all time

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

People think I'm lying

The general consensus on forums and social media is that Rodman is a top 10 PF and Pippen is top 20-25 all time

It's gotten ridiculous and I really like both of them

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Dudes always bring up Pippen but Dennis Rodman was one of the most talented basketball players from that generation and never gets the credit for it.

That was the second three peat, Jordan had 3 and retired before Rodman got there. The first 3 peat was all Jordan and Pippen.