Why have we been in such a terrible QB era when league done nothin but make it easier for em to put up stats and protect em?

[DraymondT]

League has done nothing but make it easier for QBs, protect them at all costs, inflate their stats yet we in one of the most mid QB eras ever. There only like 3-4 nikkas that really like that. Whole lotta mid. 90% of QBs today are mid as shyt.

In the era of Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, Ben, Warner, McNair, McNabb, Favre, Stafford, Vick.... A lot of QBs today woulda been backups then. We made fun of Phillip Rivers back then. Now Rivers 2.0 AKA Herb nikkas tryna say is Marino 2.0 or some bullshyt LMAOOO

Eli Manning was like a Chauncey Billips back then.... In todays league hed be an Isiah Thomas

Now Purdy, Tua and Hurts top 5 MVP candidates most season.... Yet they know even most valuable on they own team.

Tua aint more valuable than Tyreek who should be MVP

Purdy aint more valuable than CMC, Trent, Warner, probably Kittle, Bosa, Deebo too

Hurts aint more valuable than AJ, Lane, Kelce

Yet we gotta pretend they MVP candidates since MVP really a bum ass QB award.

 

[OperationNumbNutts]

Eli Manning was like a Chauncey Billips back then.... In todays league hed be an Isiah Thomas

Nah. He would still suck.

 

[OperationNumbNutts]

Too many factors. We are seeing a lot of players like Daniel Jones who was never considered one of the best in college but got drafted high because of relationships. Yes the rules make it easier for QBs but the quality of players they are trying hard to push isn't great. Also with the decrease in the run game passing it becoming too predictable for defenses. Still a good question though.

 

[DraymondT]

 

[bigde09]

Nah. He would still suck.

Top 10 passing yards of all time and 2x Super Bowl mvp

 

[firemanBk]

Something that is definitely not helping is OLine play seems to be at an all time low

The amount of good OLine players being drafted and developed is being far out paced by the amount of good Edge Rushers and Interior Pass Rushers

 

[Silky Johnson]

Because these mfers can't coach, & gm's stopped listening to the scouts

 

[krazykid18]

Revisionist History like a muthafukka in this ...and some of those names don't really belong in all time great qbs

in NFL their has always been majority qb plays that are shytty and then you have top level same as this yr ..

 

[OperationNumbNutts]

Top 10 passing yards of all time and 2x Super Bowl mvp

So.

 

[In The Zone '98]

I don't understand how you play 4 years of college ball

But when sub'd in a pro game the coach tryna prevent you from throwing too much

Too many mid QB2s for the amount of football being played

 

[KidJSoul]

Op this is a weird thread.

First off... a bunch of those guys you listed did not get off to great starts or were loved like that when they played. McNabb got tons of heat, Eli was flat out considered bad early on. You need to give these young guys time. Guys like Allen, Herbert, Burrow, etc. Are only ⅓ through their careers.

Everything you're saying now was being said back in the early 2000s when veteran journeyman Rich Gannon was winning MVP



Secondly.... Defenses have caught up... defenders are faster now, coaches are playing more complex 2 safety-deep schemes... some of those QBs you mentioned played some of their careers in the 2010s... the weakest era of defense in history. Defenses now are better than they've been in a while, and these QBs don't have great running backs to take pressure of off them. And o-line play has regressed. So you have to keep perspective op.

 

[DraymondT]

Revisionist History like a muthafukka in this ...and some of those names don't really belong in all time great qbs

in NFL their has always been majority qb plays that are shytty and then you have top level same as this yr ..

Top level now is much worse than top level then. And depth is also much worse.

Op this is a weird thread.

First off... a bunch of those guys you listed did not get off to great starts or were loved like that when they played. McNabb got tons of heat, Eli was flat out considered bad early on. You need to give these young guys time. Guys like Allen, Herbert, Burrow, etc. Are only ⅓ through their careers.

Everything you're saying now was being said back in the early 2000s when veteran journeyman Rich Gannon was winning MVP



Secondly.... Defenses have caught up... defenders are faster now, coaches are playing more complex 2 safety-deep schemes... some of those QBs you mentioned played some of their careers in the 2010s... the weakest era of defense in history. Defenses now are better than they've been in a while, and these QBs don't have great running backs to take pressure of off them. And o-line play has regressed. So you have to keep perspective op.

The part of some of these QBs bein young is fair I'll give you that. But most these nikkas are dumbasses wit low IQ. Herbert and Allen are horrible readin defenses. People just fallin for they physical profile, arm and mobility. Whos to say they finna age well? You see em playin deep into they 30s, 40s? I doubt it entirely

QBs got more mobile, stronger, more athletic.... Yet they more ass than ever cause they dumb af

Defenses better now yet 45yo Tom Brady was havin 5300 / 43 TD seasons just 2 years ago top 3 in MVP voting.

37/38yo Rodgers winnin MVP B2B, leadin top seeds and bein arguably best QB in the league. nikka aint been All Pro since 2014 and against defenses now in 2020s was b2b 1st team and MVP

40yo Drew Brees was leadin league in completion % and QBR, leadin 13-3 teams



Stop it nikka defenses aint much better overall. In better, tougher eras no QBs in they 40s survivin much less puttin up league best stats like we seen some of em from the golden age do against the defenses now

 

[KidJSoul]

Top level now is much worse than top level then. And depth is also much worse.



The part of some of these QBs bein young is fair I'll give you that. But most these nikkas are dumbasses wit low IQ. Herbert and Allen are horrible readin defenses. People just fallin for they physical profile, arm and mobility. Whos to say they finna age well? You see em playin deep into they 30s, 40s? I doubt it entirely

QBs got more mobile, stronger, more athletic.... Yet they more ass than ever cause they dumb af

Defenses better now yet 45yo Tom Brady was havin 5300 / 43 TD seasons just 2 years ago top 3 in MVP voting.

37/38yo Rodgers winnin MVP B2B, leadin top seeds and bein arguably best QB in the league. nikka aint been All Pro since 2014 and against defenses now in 2020s was b2b 1st team and MVP

40yo Drew Brees was leadin league in completion % and QBR, leadin 13-3 teams



Stop it nikka defenses aint much better overall. In better, tougher eras no QBs in they 40s survivin much less puttin up league best stats like we seen some of em from the golden age do against the defenses now

You finna act like Tomy Romo, Eli Manning and Big Ben were cerebral field generals ? they aren't any smarter than Allen and Herbert

And Rodgers and Brady were veterans.

And Herbert's team is always injured and Allen only has 1 great weapon. So that's one thing to keep in mind when judging them, aside from their age.

 

[King Harlem]

Simple. Playing QB is very difficult and defenses have adjusted and have gotten better.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Top level now is much worse than top level then. And depth is also much worse.

When the fukk is "now" and "then"? Look at the ridiculous range you posted.

In the era of Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, Ben, Warner, McNair, McNabb, Favre, Stafford, Vick.... A lot of QBs today woulda been backups then. We made fun of Phillip Rivers back then.

Favre was born in 1969. Warner 1971. McNair in 1973. McNabb 1976. Vick 1980. Big Ben 1982. Rodgers 1983. Stafford 1988. The guys you just listed are TWENTY YEARS apart and you're trying to shove them into the same era? A lot of those guys literally never even were good at the same time. Some were only good a few years and then fell off.



If you're trying to compare 20 years of peak quarterbacks to the performance of young quarterbacks with no legacy in their first year, of course it will look lopsided.

But 20 years from now, we'll talk about how Pat Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Deshaun Watson, Dak Prescott, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts, Justin Fields, Justin Herbert, Tua Tagovailoa, Brock Purdy, and C.J. Stroud all came into the league at the same time. Those players are WAY closer in age than yours were. Using your stretched-out "era", we could include Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, and Matt Ryan all as part of this era too.



Try this. Limit yourself solely to a 5-year window of QB birthdates. Then see how those QBs performed in any particular season. It'll look at lot different than cherry-picking the best across a 20-year span as viewed from the end of their career.