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That NWA tree though. ..it's vast and far reaching
Why haven't there been any wu-tang vs N.W.A. threads yet?
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No...they don't have a better catalog. Influence? Sure, maybe. Catalog? No. Wu has a far better catalog.
It's silly trying to lump Dre, Eazy, Ren or Cube solos into the NWA catalog because those albums aren't really NWA albums. Wu first string of solo albums are essentially Wu group albums. Tical, Return to the36, Cuban Linx, Liquid Swords and Ironman has that group dynamic. The NWA artists solos don't really have that dynamic.
Wu is a worldwide phenomena that thrives over 20 years later. Their solo artists still are super capable MCs and still drop quality projects. As influential as NWA is/was...they only lasted for a few years then disbanded. They basically were done once Cube bounced.
Which brings me to my next point...Cube and Ren were the ONLY real MCs in the group. They virtually wrote everything for the group. And out of the two, only Cube is considered a GOAT MC. There's no way any group that lasted a handful of years, with only 2 real rappers...only 1 of them being an all time great...should be considered greater than a group that's lasted over 2 decades, still thriving worldwide and has at least 4 MCs that's routinely named as GOAT MCs.
Wu is the GOAT group. In 2014 this shouldn't be debatable.
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I can see your first point, if you don't want to count the solo projects as NWA projects, that is true. Fair.
I disagree with they were done once Cube bounced, after Cube left they actually sold more records and released their best album after Cube left.
Longevity to me is a feat but it doesn't really matter to me when judging quality. I feel NWA's quality of group projects are better than Wu Tang's efforts as group projects and it's really not close in my mind. All three NWA albums are classics. To me, Wu had 1 group classic, 1 good album (Forever should not be a double album) and the rest is forgettable. Imo, the Wu's strong suit has been their solo projects way more than their group efforts, and you did make a fair point NWA didn't really have any solo albums while the group was in tact so there's really nothing to compare it to.
And the Wu doesn't have 4 rappers routinely named as God MCS. They have 1 and that's Ghostface. NWA has one and that's Dre. Rae, Meth and GZA are respected but I never see them on any GOAT list ever, at least nowhere near the top 20.
NWA Produced: Cube, Dre, Eazy E. Easily three of the most influential people in rap music history, some say the GOAT rapper, some say the GOAT producer and some say the Godfather of Gangster Rap. It's hard to top that.
Wu has 2 classics, breh. Wu Forever is a classic. And their third album is a damn good album. Also, likeI said before...their first string of solos are basically group efforts. NWA solos aren't.
Also, you're bugging with the God MC sh!t. Cube is routinely mentioned as one of the greatest MCs everbut he's sparingly mentioned as GOAT. You're exaggeratin with that one. I also find it hard to believe that you think none of the Wu MCs aren't mentioned as all time greats. Ghost, Rae, GZA and Meth are almost ALWAYS listed in Top 50 lists. Meth was one of the Top 10 MCs of the 90s, GZA is a lyrical savant, Rae is one of the top rappers of the 90s and his presence over the last few years has been extraordinary, and Ghost...you ALREADY know about Ghost. I don't have to mention his resume. Wu also has an MC who probably has more recognizable and classic verses than any NWA member not named Cube. That's Deck.
NWA has Dre. Wu has RZA. That's a wash. But like I said...Wu win hands down in everything, except influence. And even an argument for Wu can be made in regards to influence because they are also VERY influential.
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I didn't exaggerate Cube. I said some say he's the GOAT, I didn't say he's routinely mentioned as the greatest ever. And top 50 isn't close to "one of the GOATS" in my opinion. That's really stretching it with that term. And you see Dr. Dre and Eazy E in a lot of top 50s too, if we're being honest.
Either way, we both have our opinions and I respect your opinions a lot and think you're one of the better posters here. I just don't hold Wu's catalog of music (as a group, not solo) up as highly as you do. But I can see your side of the argument for sure.
Emcee wise Cube, Ren and DOC can go toe toe with any Wutang members.
RZA vs Dre is a toss up to me.
There's been millions of MCs...MILLIONS...since hip hops inception. Being listed as a Top 50 greatest ever makes you a GOAT. That's not even remotely an exaggeration.
And I just look at what Wu has accomplished in these past two decades and I feel like it's unprecedented. You have a group of 9-10 MCs who've managed to stay together, have put out classic albums, still spit high quality rhymes and still are a cultural stalwart. I honestly feel like there shouldn't be a debate anymore on who's the greatest.
And Fresh, I respect your opinions and you're one of my fav mods. We just have differences of opinions here. It's all good though. Respect, bro.
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I guess. But even if that's the case, I see Eazy E and Dre on these list too. We can't really take them too seriously.
I instantly disregard any GOAT MC list that names Dre and Easy because neither one of them probably wrote a rhyme in their life. They're legends, without a doubt. But not true MCs.