Why Haven't We Seen Another Arsenio Hall type Show?

[King Poetic]

Boomers and gen x folks are older and not staying up till 11:30 when u have a family

And millennials and gen whatever is social media only not tv unless sports or some stupid reality show

 

[WIA20XX]

Nah I get what you mean totally

Black ppl want to be near whiteness to much for that time to come back

I find it's a lot of cats be both ways on it.

She wanna be ratchet and twerking, but also Black and Proud, all the while wearing Fendi and trying to live a "luxury" lifestyle - when the luxury is European.

Dude wanna roll up on them boys on the corner, down for the cause, but in a Bugatti just to stunt on them.

Look at me, look at what I got...

They take physical artifacts of white culture and show up to black people as "success"

That's a whole other topic. I'm not tryna go there on TLR.

 

[FTBS]

Yeah as other posters have already pointed out, we have had numerous attempts that didnt work out for different reasons. Late night talk shows in general usually fail. Tonight Show and Late Show were institutions passed on to new people. Jimmy Kimmel the only one to really start some new shyt and succeed.

As others have said, that shyt dead anyway. New shyt is pods. Shannon, Kevin, Joe Budden, shyt Carmelo and others are giving us what we would traditionally look for in a late night talk show.

 

[tremonthustler1]

I tend to defend NYC but it’s definitely connected to broadway culture of the wealthy. They hold broadway shows up as an artform and that same mindset was used regarding late night talk shows. It was treated as entertainment for the high educated/wealthy. The podcast mentioned are not the same, a lot rawer, and more modern. Just like SNL makes a shyt ton of corny, unfunny skits but the show as a whole is treated like some sort of high art prestigious comedy.

and therein lies the problem with American tastes.

It's harder now than ever to try to make America laugh, agree or co-sign anything, so you might as well go to a podcast that seemingly caters primarily to you.
And just like late night shows, you have to make a choice on who you wanted since the major ones aired against each other mostly.

Oddly enough, I don't listen to most of the popular podcasts that would fit the description because I don't have the time. I did a mini spreadsheet of the shows/pods/music I consume to see what I can cut out or where I have time to do other shyt. Nowadays, pods dominate that time more than TV. My late night show is basically the CBS fantasy baseball today pod.

Only thing that seemingly hasn't gone out of style are game shows. Once we're done with the Jeopardy's, Wheel of Fortune's The Price is Right, might as well dead linear TV altogether.

I think Desus and Mero could have pulled this off too but they left Vice for Showtime and the weekly format didnt fit their off the top of the head humor. Dont even get me started on the fact they split up.

Victory Light has been good enough to where I can listen to them and be just fine. Mero really helped Mamdani out with his campaign through his pod.

 

[verbalkint]

The field is just too big now and networks are quick to cancel an "underperforming" breh when the comp are literally legacies.

 

[Chrishaune]

The field is just too big now and networks are quick to cancel an "underperforming" breh when the comp are literally legacies.

If the Wayans can have shows cancelled, then there ain't much hope for other brehs.

Not owning networks is not helping black folks. But that's a purposeful act by Hollywood to control the European standard on TV.

 

[get these nets]

Keenen's show was already brought up, but the success of the Arsenio show ultimately lead to there being a smaller audience for the replacement versions.

Youth audience flocked to Arsenio because it was the only place to see the upcoming stars, especially hip hop stars.

YoMTV came out, the mainstream talk shows began booking hip hop acts, and other national tv shows began catering to the youth market.

Didnt have to set vcr or stay up late to catch the hottest rap group during their hit song.

There were rap superstars before (RUNDMC) , but Arsenio provided a huge platform for emerging acts to get national exposure. Mainstream caught on , and the rest is history

 

[Stick Up Kid]

He literally re-booted his show in 2013 and nobody cared.

Talk Shows/Late Night Talk Shows/Evening News etc all been dead for a decade +