Why Haven't We Seen Another Arsenio Hall type Show?

[Wargames]

Honestly podcasts sit downs are much better because they are more raw and unfiltered. Talk shows are boring as fukk and conversations are more controlled by the network.

Yeah Drink Champs is another one. I sat down and watched Johnny Carson once on YouTube and those motherfukkers would get drunk all the time or the guest came drunk up until the late 80’s and 90’s when they got older.

Drink Champs, Budden, Cam and Mase, and Shannon are basically black people late night TV.

 

[SNG]

Yeah Drink Champs is another one. I sat down and watched Johnny Carson once on YouTube and those motherfukkers would get drunk all the time or the guest came drunk up until the late 80’s and 90’s when they got older.

Drink Champs, Budden, Cam and Mase, and Shannon are basically black people late night TV.

Pretty much.

 

[Vandelay]

I'm probably not saying anything no one else hasn't said.

• The format has been dying a long death. I used to watch late night religiously up until Conan took over the Tonight Show.
• Black people unfortunately almost never rise to the popularity of white people in abundance.
• The 80's formed diamonds with black celebs, because we never got that same push until the 80's, so it was like a big bang of decades of overlooked talent.
• You can get popular without talent these days, and most people who venture out of the influencer space get exposed for not really having talent.

 

[WIA20XX]

Not sure why THOSE shows failed (as they were very good), but I know I watched them over Letterman and Leno.

The thing is that they failed.

The white shows persisted for decades, despite being generally less interesting. (imo)

 

[Wargames]

The thing is that they failed.

The white shows persisted for decades, despite being generally less interesting. (imo)

Yeah but those white shows were legacy shows that the networks looked at as prestige TV. They basically didn’t care if they were good, it was something they wanted for the sake to say they had it. Like it made the network more prestigious.

 

[WIA20XX]

I think Desus and Mero could have pulled this off too but they left Vice for Showtime and the weekly format didnt fit their off the top of the head humor. Dont even get me started on the fact they split up.

They always seemed way to NYC for a national audience to me.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Its basically kai

 

[Wargames]

They always seemed way to NYC for a national audience to me.

I tend to defend NYC but it’s definitely connected to broadway culture of the wealthy. They hold broadway shows up as an artform and that same mindset was used regarding late night talk shows. It was treated as entertainment for the high educated/wealthy. The podcast mentioned are not the same, a lot rawer, and more modern. Just like SNL makes a shyt ton of corny, unfunny skits but the show as a whole is treated like some sort of high art prestigious comedy.

 

[broller]

Vibe hosted by Chris Spencer/Sinbad and Keenen Ivory Wayans were Black late night shows right after Arsenio left in the 90's. Magic Johnson also had a late night show in the 90's called the Magic Hour. The most cringiest episode was when Howard Stern was a guest.

What happened on the Stern one?

 

[Po pimp]

The thing is that they failed.

The white shows persisted for decades, despite being generally less interesting. (imo)

Well Keenan came on Fox and Vibe was on UPN. They couldn’t compete with NBC and CBS

 

[Plankton]

What happened on the Stern one?

You can watch it for yourself. Howard was putting Magic in the hot seat about having HIV.

 

[WIA20XX]

I tend to defend NYC but it’s definitely connected to broadway culture of the wealthy. They hold broadway shows up as an artform and that same mindset was used regarding late night talk shows. It was treated as entertainment for the high educated/wealthy. The podcast mentioned are not the same, a lot rawer, and more modern. Just like SNL makes a shyt ton of corny, unfunny skits but the show as a whole is treated like some sort of high art prestigious comedy.

Lemme rephrase, Desus and Mero are way too Bronx to me.

A lot of the jokes were only super funny if you live in that environment but then came downtown to talk to yuppies in the village, that have had some experience with it.

Arsenio, for better or for worse, wasn't nearly as "niche". Every Black person in America, presumably, could get what he was talking about, and was interested in the guests on his show. Which at the time, might have just been a special time in Black Pop Culture - when the white audience wasn't nearly as "participatory"....for lack of a better term.

On the other hand, Trevor Noah and Wayne Brady (and arguably Anthony Anderson) are "white mainstream" coded. The South African has more to say about the White Experience and more focus on it. Arsenio wasn't really trying to be an explainer. (On the other end we had cats like Bernie Mac, who really wasn't trying to talk to anybody but black people)

This is all subtle stuff that's almost too intangible to really talk about, prolly shoulda kept this post to myself tbh.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Lemme rephrase, Desus and Mero are way too Bronx to me.

A lot of the jokes were only super funny if you live in that environment but then came downtown to talk to yuppies in the village, that have had some experience with it.

Arsenio, for better or for worse, wasn't nearly as "niche". Every Black person in America, presumably, could get what he was talking about, and was interested in the guests on his show. Which at the time, might have just been a special time in Black Pop Culture - when the white audience wasn't nearly as "participatory"....for lack of a better term.

On the other hand, Trevor Noah and Wayne Brady (and arguably Anthony Anderson) are "white mainstream" coded. The South African has more to say about the White Experience and more focus on it. Arsenio wasn't really trying to be an explainer. (On the other end we had cats like Bernie Mac, who really wasn't trying to talk to anybody but black people)

This is all subtle stuff that's almost too intangible to really talk about, prolly shoulda kept this post to myself tbh.

Nah I get what you mean totally

Black ppl want to be near whiteness to much for that time to come back

 

[Ku$h Parker]

I miss In Living Color
That was my SNL,Tonight Show,etc
I was watching SNICK on Saturday Nights

 

[BlackAchilles]

• The 80's formed diamonds with black celebs, because we never got that same push until the 80's, so it was like a big bang of decades of overlooked talent.