why is it that the MLB is regarded as outdated when their farm system is the most advanced?

[Arris]

I've never really gotten that aspect of people getting down on baseball. I know some of it concerning football may have to do with the violent nature of the sport. but what about basketball? why arent nba teams scouting talent from a young age or going out and searching for potential in other countries?

on top of the NCAA prospects mlb scouts and signs talent just based on potential. for example danny salazar was signed to the indians in 2006! and he is only 26 right now now he is a starting pitcher for the indians but it took him until 2013 to finally be called up to the majors.

Salazar signed with the Indians as an international free agent in 2006. He spent two years playing rookie-level ball for the Indians, then spent 2009 through 2011 with the Lake County Captains. The Indians purchased his contract on November 18, 2011 to protect him from the Rule 5 draft. He spent 2012 with the Carolina Mudcats and Akron Aeros

and then each team has more than three levels of professional teams where they are constantly cycling through rosters of 25+. not to mention that these minor league teams legitimately bring in money, from areas that don't have a mlb team close by.

does the NFL and NBA just not want to sink the money into going this far with scouting and all the structure that would need to be put in place? is it the cap they have on player salaries? somebody chime in

 

[Alcantara]

both the nfl and nba are niche sports (your either brolic or tall). anyone can play baseball

example

 

[Arris]

both the nfl and nba are niche sports (your either brolic or tall). anyone can play baseball

example

I thought about that too but I just didn't include it in the quote. football scouts would have to worry about body maturity and how who they are scouting will grow. while baseball and soccer are more skill intensive sports that don't necessarily need rigid body types.

honestly I think basketball could better fit this mold but their aren't enough positions in the league and they probably feel like the NCAA does a good enough job for them in the scouting area.

 

[Remote]

both the nfl and nba are niche sports (your either brolic or tall). anyone can play baseball

example

Bartolo Colon does a great job of not walking batters and almost always has a below league-average ERA.

And no, not anyone can do that at the Major League level, which is why he's still pitching at 43 years old

 

[th_412]

why arent nba teams scouting talent from a young age or going out and searching for potential in other countries?

scouts knew about bron when he was like 12 and damn near half the NBA draft picks nowadays are from outside the USA

 

[Remote]

I don't know that MLB's farm system is the best there is. It may be.
You have to understand that MLB signs players at 16 (at least internationally). And most do not reach the majors.

 

[Arris]

scouts knew about bron when he was like 12 and damn near half the NBA draft picks nowadays are from outside the USA

your right. but again they let foreign leagues do all that. they're not snatching up young talent as soon as they get on the radar like MLB teams do in the latin america's

 

[Remote]

This is the 1st round of the 2009 draft (including compensation picks):
1st Round of the 2009 MLB June Amateur Draft | Baseball-Reference.com

Yeah a bunch have played at the MLB level for small amounts of time. But outside of Mike Trout and Stephen Strasburg...I doubt most casual sports fans could really recognize any of the others.
Maybe AJ Pollock.

You're looking 7 years later and there's 2 all stars (in the 1st round, anyway)
That's it.

Even with all we know about training, mechanics, development....it's very hard to pinpoint who will pan out.

 

[Arris]

This is the 1st round of the 2009 draft (including compensation picks):
1st Round of the 2009 MLB June Amateur Draft | Baseball-Reference.com

Yeah a bunch have played at the MLB level for small amounts of time. But outside of Mike Trout and Stephen Strasburg...I doubt most casual sports fans could really recognize any of the others.
Maybe AJ Pollock.

You're looking 7 years later and there's 2 all stars (in the 1st round, anyway)
That's it.

Even with all we know about training, mechanics, development....it's very hard to pinpoint who will pan out.

yeah but its just that they even go so far. maybe its foreign to me in general because soccer takes it to an even higher level and its just not a big sport in the usa. but as set in its ways and traditions as the mlb is. they are the sport out of the three most popular american sports to take it there and NOT the nba or nfl

 

[Regular_P]

This is the 1st round of the 2009 draft (including compensation picks):
1st Round of the 2009 MLB June Amateur Draft | Baseball-Reference.com

Yeah a bunch have played at the MLB level for small amounts of time. But outside of Mike Trout and Stephen Strasburg...I doubt most casual sports fans could really recognize any of the others.
Maybe AJ Pollock.

You're looking 7 years later and there's 2 all stars (in the 1st round, anyway)
That's it.

Even with all we know about training, mechanics, development....it's very hard to pinpoint who will pan out.

There's a lot of guys from that first round who made it to the MLB and contributed.

The main thing with the NBA not having a farm system like this is probably because of the European leagues already in place and the NCAA. Euros let guys play really young and the NCAA is a feeder system to the pros. I think the NBA could do a better job with the D-League, but there's a natural farm system as is.

Dombrowski took Jacob Turner 16 spots ahead of Mike Trout @Knights89

 

[Remote]

There's a lot of guys from that first round who made it to the MLB and contributed.

The main thing with the NBA not having a farm system like this is probably because of the European leagues already in place and the NCAA. Euros let guys play really young and the NCAA is a feeder system to the pros. I think the NBA could do a better job with the D-League, but there's a natural farm system as is.

Dombrowski took Jacob Turner 16 spots ahead of Mike Trout @Knights89

Signability makes an impact in MLB drafts.

I don't remember if Trout was going to be hard to sign, but sometimes you can't just slam a drafting team based on where a guy winds up.
I remember a while back Gerrit Cole dropped in the draft because of rumors he wanted to attend college. The Yankees took him....he went to college anyway, and the Yankees got burned.

Things like that happen quite a bit.

 

[Regular_P]

Signability makes an impact in MLB drafts.

I don't remember if Trout was going to be hard to sign, but sometimes you can't just slam a drafting team based on where a guy winds up.
I remember a while back Gerrit Cole dropped in the draft because of rumors he wanted to attend college. The Yankees took him....he went to college anyway, and the Yankees got burned.

Things like that happen quite a bit.

I know, but the Tigers have been heavy spenders for years. Dombrowski was just atrocious in the draft. That's why their farm system is still pathetic and bums like Tyler Collins/Casey McGehee are getting major playing time in a playoff race.

 

[Canada Goose]

Nobody hates on Baseball's farm system.




I like baseball but most people don't like it cause they think its boring and too many regular season games nothing to do with the process of how players make it to the majors.

 

[Knights89]

There's a lot of guys from that first round who made it to the MLB and contributed.

The main thing with the NBA not having a farm system like this is probably because of the European leagues already in place and the NCAA. Euros let guys play really young and the NCAA is a feeder system to the pros. I think the NBA could do a better job with the D-League, but there's a natural farm system as is.

Dombrowski took Jacob Turner 16 spots ahead of Mike Trout @Knights89

I know you remember the crazy hype before that 2008 season. The fact that they played so poorly and couldn't even salvage it with a top pick makes it worse. Hell they took some bum named Andy Oliver the pick before the Rockies took Arenado.

 

[god shamgod]

both the nfl and nba are niche sports (your either brolic or tall). anyone can play baseball

example

no they can't.It takes elite skill to throw a ball 90+ miles an hour with precision or hit a baseball