Why is sampling held in such high regards?

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it's not that one is better than the other, they're just two different ways of creating music.

read an interview the other day about someone who worked with dangermouse. before he also didn't really respect sampling, but once he saw Dangermouse in the studio ripping every CD he could find, collecting any possible sound source, he realized its worth was the fact that music could come from literally anywhere and that it's up to the producers/beatmakers to navigate all that media.

like yeah you can sample, but those samples are buried in this monolith of recorded music that the producers basically have to excavate like archaeologists. 99% of producers aren't like Puffy, where you just take a loop from a famous song and have someone rap over it; there's a lot of work behind the scenes that goes into it, and processing those samples as well. Like J Dilla and Madlib for instance, they'd sample a loop, but then chop it up and replay it, retune it on the pads, etc. So they are being original/creative, it's just that their instrument is pre-recorded music instead of a guitar or piano.

As someone who does play multiple instruments, I'd say more work goes into sampling, because you have to dig for hours, if not days, before you even begin to produce, and even then there's no guarantee what you're working with will come out after you've started. The ability to 'hear' songs within other songs, then re-arrange their components in order to form unique compositions is a lot like Jazz musicians who would 'cover' old standards, but change the melodies or keys or harmonies or tempo slightly in order to create a new piece of art. This has been going on for centuries, 'contrafactums' are nothing new - in fact the Star Spangled Banner ripped its melody off from an old drinking song. This is how music has operated since forever, musicians steal/copy/reuse musical phrases all the time because there's only so many ways to re-arrange the 12 tones we use in the west. It's just when african-americans and disenfranchised musicians start doing it, it all of a sudden becomes a legal issue, see: Biz Markie vs Gilbert O'Sullivan. :francis:

Not saying original artists shouldn't get their due if they are being looped, but in a lot of instances you'll see a Bob James type sue the shyt out of Madlib for way more than the single song they made is worth, simply because they re-used a snippet of a sound (regardless of if they repitched it/stretched it/etc.) It's another way to maintain systems of oppression, imo.

tl;dr: shyt's hard, b
 

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Most time sampling is used as a crutch. Especially how Dr. dre and puff did it. I've literally seen beat makers get mad at others for flipping a sample they did as if they made the beat.

I don't know about Puff but Dre did a lot more than just use sampling as a crutch.
He was a genuine producer/orchestrator.

Session musicians, changing keys, multiple MPC's at a time etc.
Not to mention role as both executive producer & mix engineer.

Sampling in and of itself isn't necessarily a BAD THING but I do feel it can be abused.
I write all of my own music though, despite being fine with producers sampling.

Cause it’s literally the essence of hip hop. You answered your question with your opening sentence lol. Originally is praised but at the end of the day dopeness is praised more than musicianship in hip hop.

nikkas simply don’t care if you played the keys, made the baseline yourself or sampled it, etc…They truly don’t give a fukk about none of that shyt. Only other producers appreciate that type of shyt. Do it sound good? That’s all they care about.

You only gonna have people giving a fukk when it comes to money, and then that’s gonna be the artist, not the public. Artist will seek out or appreciate original compositions more for publishing/royalty and clearance reasons.

The era the people consider the golden era was a very sample based era. So a lot of people resent not original beats, but beats that don’t have that sound they think is the classic hop hop sound. When fruity loops came out the older heads in the producing community was having heart attacks and shyt. They don’t like the digtal style beats. Analog ass nikkas. So sample based beats always gonna be held in higher regard.

I think it depends on the sub-genre too.
A rapper who raps over soul-beats and/or boom-bap (non-sampled) type beats or a G-Funk/West coast style
rapper will certainly appreciate original compositions, same with a lot of trap rappers, they want to have their own beats.

There are styles of Hip-Hop heavily reliant on sampling but I think we also tend to forget that Hip-Hop also has a healthy
bit of it's styles that aren't totally reliant on samples and in fact get on by just fine without them.

I wasn’t going address you. If you thinking sampling is just adding drums to a sample and then boom that’s it !!! Then clearly u don’t kno shyt about hip hop and straight up u shouldn’t be playing it . Also hip hop is not the only type of music that samples… rock, r&b, etc all do it

you a clown straight up and don’t kno shyt about music. Stop fukking posting

I usually don’t get tight about shyt on this site man but y’all non music ass nikkaz be clowns

also cats getting tight at dre for looping shyt in the 90s

a lot of that shyt was played over and looping a record back then was hard as fukk compared to now and also it takes a lot to dig and find that right loop to sample

You make beats bro ?

Also Dre, Quik, Fredwreck, Battlecat etc. Did SO MUCH beyond just "loopin shyt up".
There's a video out there of a producer touring the studio where a lot of shyt was recorded.
They were mic'ing up Piano's, Bass's etc. to make sure they captured the performance
for Dre to later go through it and chop up what he needed to fit his albums.

He's (wrongly) getting called out for just looping up samples when it was considerably
more involved than that.
 
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I think that Hip Hop is misunderstood since it started being made into songs.

The actual primal form of Hip Hop was other people's records. Exclusively. No one was making songs. The DJs were creating tracks for the B Boys to break to.

It was all about a few seconds of a break beat on any type of record.

Mickey Mouse. Country. Rock. Anything. What made it Hip Hop was the break.

Later people sampled and made tracks, but thats just a super high tech version of what the early DJs did on the fly.

Hip Hop is pirate music at it's core.

And I think it's dope to revisit and rearrange classic music and make it into Hip Hop tracks.

I woulda never known about alot of Soul music otherwise.

And. It just sounds WAY doper than keyboard beats. Or bands. Or however music is arranged. For Hip Hop purposes, sampling sounds the best by far.
 

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Not just sampling, but GREAT non-lazy, the difference between Jay-Z's "Can I Live" and Juicy J's "Hoe Pulla" vs most of Saweetie's songs
 

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I only got into sampling recently, before then I've always played or clicked all my notes right into the DAW.

I got to say making music with samples seems more enjoyable to me lately. Get to cool out, vibe to music I like and/or music that inspires me, throw FX chains on it, run bandpass on it to get a cool range, reverse it, flip it, pitch it up/down, etc.

Then I can always throw a counter melody or whatever on top of it. At the end of the day it feels more like vibing and listening to music to me.

Can always flip it so hard you can't tell where the original comes from. Good times, great music.
 

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Dre interpolated a riff that appeared in the Con Air for In Da Club:





Knife Party interpolated the melody from Poppin Dem Thangs:





Once you start feeling the DNA of music its very easy to spot where others took inspiration from because nothing exists in a vacuum and creatives soak up their environment like a sponge.

Even MJ wasn't above it. Listen to this from 1984:



then compare this:



Virtually identical in structure, pitch, cadence and tone in the opening and then MJ builds upon it and evolves but still the influence is obvious. This one was even more self evident and resulted in Parker getting sued, The News winning then later getting sued for breaching an NDA and Parker suing and winning.



I made it a hot reply, now you go on and make it a hot thread so I can smile like a proud dad...
 

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The "presets loops clicking is easy" bs about new music :mjlol:

Just say yall nikkas had no time/know how to learn the intricacies of modern electronic music making and be done with it



Sampling is held in high regard because of the time period/records that were made with sampling, and there were plently. It don't go any further than that.

This aint a diss to sample creators / old hip hop producers either. They made the best with what they had at the time. It's a new era tho, even Daft Punk had to make some records without sampling :yeshrug:

it's really not that difficult.

Also call cap on "sampling providing a better vibe/feeling"
 

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Its just a technique.

You can use it in a creative way or not. Just like any other instrument or creative tool.
 

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Because it builds on the foundations of authentic Black music, Jazz, Soul, Rock, RnB etc..
Thats why hip hop from the sampe era was so so good, and today's 5 min made beats with no samples garbage..
 
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