Why is sampling held in such high regards?
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I don't know how I overlooked this post when it was originally posted... I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE "SHOOK ONES" BEAT WAS A GUITAR. Holy fukk
This was, hands down, my favorite scene in the entire series so far. Such a dope episode.
Insensitive
Superstar
I also don't like the implication that pre-sets or drumkits means "Not creative".
Because until they're put into a musical context, presets and drumkits are just sounds.
There are guys who can't design sounds but are so talented that their digital instruments can
sound like a whole band playing because they can play so many real and digital instruments
competently and understand music theory as well as arrangement at a pretty high level.
This is nothing to scoff at.
Also we need to put MORE respect on Hip-Hop's name because
it's not JUST about sampling, you can flip a chord progression but everything
around that chord progression can be completely original.
Look at J. Dilla on this record:
Those drums ARE PROGRAMMED.
For the longest time I thought he had someone actually play that on a drumset.
That's why Dilla is a bad motherfukker
We also regularly talk about "Flipping samples" but we do not talk about it in relation to song writing.
It's one thing to flip a sample and make a loop, it's another to create sections for a verse, chorus, add a bridge etc.
With an MPC, JUST THE MPC, someone can do the entire rhythm section.
Playing the basslines and drums all by themselves then sampling a melody
or some one shots like a horn or something over that.
Examples of Hip-Hop bass using an MPC feature.
The MPC itself can also fill another role (keys) with an MPC and some
Pete Rock/Q-Tip/Dr. Dre level creativity a producer can make a very dope record
without chopping up anything from an album (or very little from an album like drum
sounds or bass notes)
IIVI
Superstar
Make music. Stop gatekeeping. Nobody cares.
Mass majority of the producers out there don't make their own VST presets/sounds or are simply taking presets and adding some reverb, delay, distortion, etc or applying a filter to them and selling that.
Most people that make music use presets or kits.
Sound designing everything from scratch (talking sine, triangle, square and saw waves) is rare af outside of EDM and most of them aren't highly skilled at sound design either. Wavetables are dope, but even then many people just merge existing ones together.
We really going to say everyone been original when for the last decade producers either used the Zay 808 or Spinz 808 90% of the time?
We want to consider Pierre not original because he used the Zay 808 and didn't create his own for TLOP 4?
Just this ridiculous non-sampling vs sampling, presets vs sound design from scratch talk is pointless. If the song hits, then it hits, period.
Mass majority of the producers out there don't make their own VST presets/sounds or are simply taking presets and adding some reverb, delay, distortion, etc or applying a filter to them and selling that.
Most people that make music use presets or kits.
Sound designing everything from scratch (talking sine, triangle, square and saw waves) is rare af outside of EDM and most of them aren't highly skilled at sound design either. Wavetables are dope, but even then many people just merge existing ones together.
We really going to say everyone been original when for the last decade producers either used the Zay 808 or Spinz 808 90% of the time?
We want to consider Pierre not original because he used the Zay 808 and didn't create his own for TLOP 4?
Just this ridiculous non-sampling vs sampling, presets vs sound design from scratch talk is pointless. If the song hits, then it hits, period.
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Yeah you would def need the imagination to rock it how Dre did
I'd love to have dinner and chop it up with a producer like Premo, RZA, or Dre. I can't even imagine what their record collections must look like!
It's wild how these 2 songs share DNA:
I just decided to randomly watch the movie..
A nikka jumped out his seat when I heard that riff
Insensitive
Superstar
Sampling in and of itself isn't lazy.
Flipping the same samples that someone else already flipped or using the same
loops and chops to me gives you a lower score though.
I'd rather hear someone make an original (from the ground up) beat at that point.
Flipping the same samples that someone else already flipped or using the same
loops and chops to me gives you a lower score though.
I'd rather hear someone make an original (from the ground up) beat at that point.
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I also don't like the implication that pre-sets or drumkits means "Not creative".
Because until they're put into a musical context, presets and drumkits are just sounds.
There are guys who can't design sounds but are so talented that their digital instruments can
sound like a whole band playing because they can play so many real and digital instruments
competently and understand music theory as well as arrangement at a pretty high level.
This is nothing to scoff at.
Also we need to put MORE respect on Hip-Hop's name because
it's not JUST about sampling, you can flip a chord progression but everything
around that chord progression can be completely original.
Look at J. Dilla on this record:
Those drums ARE PROGRAMMED.
For the longest time I thought he had someone actually play that on a drumset.
That's why Dilla is a bad motherfukker
We also regularly talk about "Flipping samples" but we do not talk about it in relation to song writing.
It's one thing to flip a sample and make a loop, it's another to create sections for a verse, chorus, add a bridge etc.
With an MPC, JUST THE MPC, someone can do the entire rhythm section.
Playing the basslines and drums all by themselves then sampling a melody
or some one shots like a horn or something over that.
Examples of Hip-Hop bass using an MPC feature.
The MPC itself can also fill another role (keys) with an MPC and some
Pete Rock/Q-Tip/Dr. Dre level creativity a producer can make a very dope record
without chopping up anything from an album (or very little from an album like drum
sounds or bass notes)
Great replies and discussion. Ultimately I agree that the argument is pointless as the potential for craftsmanship is there on both sides. Also the reason why some of my favorite producers have been known to both sample and compose, Quik, RZA, Hi-Tek, Erick Sermon, Mannie etc
Insensitive
Superstar
I wanna take a second to say:
This is why the booth can be dope.
We're actually talking about Hip-Hop MUSIC not GOSSIP.
@ everyone contributing to this thread.
TheDarceKnight
Veteran
I also think there’s a difference between a beat that’s good for a beat battle and a beat that’s made for a sone of if artists. A lot of the best producers know how to not overcook a dish and know who sounds best over what beats. Sometimes the best way to accentuate a certain flow or voice can be really simple beats, samples or otherwise.
You can call it cap but that don't change the facts. Some of the best beats ever are composed just by the producer. But sampling embraces the foundations of Black music in this country. Blues, rock, funk, soul music. Electric guitar, electric bass, piano, string and horn sections. You can't make a beat like this going strictly digital
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FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
I'll always remember Mike Will Made It breaking down the Black Beatles beat and trying to play off the main melody as something he came up with on his own. Like he cops to using an arpeggiator but acts like he freaked it on some crazy shyt when he really just slowed it down and lowered the pitch an octave
Bad & Boujee and a bunch other beats also came from pre-sets