Why is there so much caping for average and below average black QBs here?

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and Thats an exmple of a WRITER judging a qb positively instead of "shytting on a white QB for sucking" like locker has.




nobody was really shedding a tear for freemon.

who out here is going so hard for RG3 besides skins fans? he gets way more heat than most...

lets look at NFL depth charts

who gets more 'shyt on'

The QBs you call average or the following starting QBs

Kyle Orton
Ryan Tannehill
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Blake Bortles
Zach Mettenberger
Derek Carr
Mark Sanchez
Colt McCoy who is still starting next week apparently
Jay Cutler
The Ghost of Josh McCown
SHAUN HILL

or lets look at back ups still in the league

Derek anderson
tj yates
austin davis
blaine gabbert
Mike Glennon
DAN ORLOVSKY
Ryan Nassib
Daniel Chase
Charlie Whitehurst
Matt moore

who can't even chew gum and walk at the same time

so

1. nobody is overly caping for 'average qbs' like you are imaging [who are you even arguing with]
2. A LOT of average white QBs have jobs on depth charts when their black counterparts...don't.

the only discussion on josh freeman is this...you mean to tell me he can't be a back up in the NFL...but matt more and dan orlovsky can?



There are more white QBs in general, what kind of argument is this? :dahell:


If your starting QB goes down are you going with somebody who can throw when needed and excel or somebody whose not good at being a actual QB but can run their ass off?

The only time I have a problem with them grouping black QBs is when they group obviously almost elite guys with average and below average.

If they're in the latter the media can kill em with they sorry ass.


But if they mention Cam, Teddy, Wilson or prime Vick with them average ones :camby:
 

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About Jay Cutler, living here in the Chicago area. He gets killed, absolutely killed daily out here. Other QBs, I can't speak to as I never watched them enough.
true. he has had a bigger leash than most though. RG3 about to get cut THIS year. Cutler been throwing those 4th quarter picks and sad face since...well..he took KYLE ORTONS job, of whom is STILL starting in the league
 

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There are more white QBs in general, what kind of argument is this? :dahell:


If your starting QB goes down are you going with somebody who can throw when needed and excel or somebody whose not good at being a actual QB but can run their ass off?

The only time I have a problem with them grouping black QBs is when they group obviously almost elite guys with average and below average.

If they're in the latter the media can kill em with they sorry ass.


But if they mention Cam, Teddy, Wilson or prime Vick with them average ones
:camby:
dude who are you arguing with? who is doing this and who is this list of average black qbs we all trumpet. we already debunked freeman so miss me with that.

the whole purpose of this thread is to give side props to bridgewater isn't it?
 
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There are people saying Kaep and RG3 should be out of the league but just because their average now doesn't mean they couldn't blossom later. There have been average Qbs like Rich Gannon and Vinny Testaverde who experienced late career rebirths when put into better situations. QBs have different development curves just because they are struggling now doesnt mean they should be written off at a young age.
 

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true. he has had a bigger leash than most though. RG3 about to get cut THIS year. Cutler been throwing those 4th quarter picks and sad face since...well..he took KYLE ORTONS job, of whom is STILL starting in the league


I agree but in his case, his arm is always overrated. He's the highest paid in the league, Phil Emory is going to make sure he plays. Jimmy Clausen is the back up :russ:Was EJ Manuel that bad to have Neckbeard start over him?
 

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There are people saying Kaep and RG3 should be out of the league but just because their average now doesn't mean they couldn't blossom later. There have been average Qbs like Rich Gannon and Vinny Testaverde who experienced late career rebirths when put into better situations. QBs have different development curves just because they are struggling now doesnt mean they should be written off at a young age.

I agree, but in the case of RG3, people saying that he isn't putting in the work is damning. He has struck me as caring more about the brand than the playbook.
 

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So we can't group young struggling athletic QB's together no more?

Nobody grouping Wilson or Luck with the bums
 

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I agree, but in the case of RG3, people saying that he isn't putting in the work is damning. He has struck me as caring more about the brand than the playbook.

And this is coming from his own teammates, not the media.
 

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I think it's because most of us recognize the code language and the unfair treatment that black qbs receive from the media ect... You can't be average and black and receive the same opportunities that below average or awful white qbs receive. Like for example Vince Young, he has a winning record, led his team to the playoffs, and made the pro bowl but was out of the league before Matt Linert and he never won a game and was still able to get a job before Vince. And the list goes on with examples like this. Also, whenever a black qb fails, they use that as ammunition against another black qb as to why that won't be successful
 

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Because we live in a world where guys like jimmy clausen, john skelton, blain gabbert and ryan Fitzpatrick all have jobs. But guys like Thad lewis, terelle pryor or vince young cant even get jobs as back up qb's.
 
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I agree, but in the case of RG3, people saying that he isn't putting in the work is damning. He has struck me as caring more about the brand than the playbook.

That is a concern but at the same time there were locker room whispers about McNabb too. As a Redskins fan I can tell you that this is a toxic franchise and he'd be better off leaving no matter who the coach is next year. Hes also made some mistakes off the field with the media and with Snyder As long as hes looked at as the owners pet hes always going to get resentment
 

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I think it's because most of us recognize the code language and the unfair treatment that black qbs receive from the media ect... You can't be average and black and receive the same opportunities that below average or awful white qbs receive. Like for example Vince Young, he has a winning record, led his team to the playoffs, and made the pro bowl but was out of the league before Matt Linert and he never won a game and was still able to get a job before Vince. And the list goes on with examples like this. Also, whenever a black qb fails, they use that as ammunition against another black qb as to why that won't be successful

I don't know if this is all the way correct since I believe that we've come to a certain point that QBs will be out there, black or white, they want to win. Mack Brown realized that in college, Young's running was the key to victory. College is the last stop that backyard football works. Matt Leinart played at a pro style system at USC. He can read a defense far better than Vince could. The thing is with both is that both aren't good at the next level. It's easy to style on the opposition when you were at Texas and USC back then. About the Titans for Vince

This was a draft profile for him coming into the league.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/draft/424340

Negatives: Needs total refinement of his throwing motion … Has a very low release that allows defensive linemen to deflect the pass at the line of scrimmage … Lacks ideal field awareness and struggles to read complicated coverages … Does a poor job of making progression reads, failing to look off his primary targets … Has a "run first" mentality when his protection breaks down, but does a poor job of protecting the ball on the run, resulting in 29 fumbles in 37 games … Can fire the ball into tight areas, but when he attempts to go long, his passes hang up in the air, allowing the defense to settle under the ball to make the interception … Looks awkward with his footwork driving back from center and looks more comfortable working out of the shotgun … Must do a better job of anticipating the receivers' breaks on his deep tosses (too many times the receiver has to adjust to make the catch) … Anyone that saw his up-and-down performances in the 2005 Ohio State and Texas A&M games can see that he does not have ideal decision-masking skills (will look like Bambi staring at the headlights of a truck at times).

Young is one of the finest athletes in the collegiate game. He has excellent quickness, agility, balance and body control rolling out of the pocket. He has a tall, angular physique with good upper body muscle development, tight abdomen, fluid hips and thick thighs and calves.

His change of direction agility and foot speed is outstanding for his position. He is an instinctive runner, but has struggled with the mental aspect of reading defenses in passing situations, resulting in 28 interceptions as a starter. He relies a lot on his foot speed and strength to gain positive yardage when flushed out of the pocket. Despite lofty statistics, you can see that the "light is not on" all the time when it comes to making proper reads and reacting quickly to schemes and coverages (see 2005 Ohio State and Texas A&M games and 2004 Oklahoma and Missouri contests).


Vince, while he did reasonably well in his time, really isn't one I'd use for this argument. Same thing with Tim Tebow. Urban gave two shyts about him and helping him succeed at the next level. Tebow was perfect for his system. Like Braxton Miller, great for what Urban wants to do, is going to be a KR at best in the NFL.
 

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I don't know if this is all the way correct since I believe that we've come to a certain point that QBs will be out there, black or white, they want to win. Mack Brown realized that in college, Young's running was the key to victory. College is the last stop that backyard football works. Matt Leinart played at a pro style system at USC. He can read a defense far better than Vince could. The thing is with both is that both aren't good at the next level. It's easy to style on the opposition when you were at Texas and USC back then. About the Titans for Vince

This was a draft profile for him coming into the league.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/draft/424340




Vince, while he did reasonably well in his time, really isn't one I'd use for this argument. Same thing with Tim Tebow. Urban gave two shyts about him and helping him succeed at the next level. Tebow was perfect for his system. Like Braxton Miller, great for what Urban wants to do, is going to be a KR at best in the NFL.
So Matt Leinart was better than Vince? Matt didn't even belong in the league. Vince was winning with no wr at Tennessee. I don't care about mechanics and reading defenses because at the end of the day he was winning and getting it done which is the whole point. He was leading the league in comeback victories. When benched him for another below average white qb they was losing every game and when they decided to let him start again, they almost won 10 straight. Going from worst in league to playoff contender but couldn't get a backup job and Matt could says a lot.
 
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