Why isn't Kendrick Lamar the GOAT?

[Westbama Heartthrob]

You’re actually wrong but we’re not talking about personal favorites. We’re talking about not knowing history. I don’t care if anyone likes Kendrick, but don’t act like he’s the greatest ever just because you were 13 and discovered hip hop through him.

Back to my personal favorite actors, I got guys like Wesley and William Marshall. l discovered William Marshall when I was 9 years old. But then, he was already decades deep into his resume and just the King of Cartoon on pee wee’s playhouse. My mom watched mostly 70s films in my youth and then in my teens, I discovered other films like Abby and his other work. I’m so much of a William Marshall fan, that my 2K screen name for years in the park was Prince Mamuwalde(still is but I don’t play anymore) My favorite singer of all time is Bobby Womack. Favorite producer/songwriter is Curtis Mayfield. And I was born in 77. Amy more questions? Haha

You proved my point breh

You named actors not far removed from your birth

You watching 70s movies as a kid in the 80s was just like us who grew up watching 90s movies in the early 2000s. Hence why a lot of us have attachment to that era.

You didn't name any of Hollywood actors just as I expected. But I probably wasn't clear enough on what I meant. I probably should've said "classical" Hollywood actors. As in, 1930's - 1950s Hollywood.

You gotta think about it. Kids born in the 2000's are pretty far removed from the primes of most rappers we revere. I had an older brother that was a rapper who told me a lot of history when I was a kid, but most folks around my way didn't. So they weren't nearly as knowledgeable.

The average kid born in 2005 and beyond is gonna likely know some history of rap. Mostly 2000's and 90s rappers. Everybody knows who tupac, biggie, and ice cube are. However, I doubt the average young hip hop fan will have the bulk of their top five be 90s rappers. It may be rappers who got their start in the 90s like Jay, em, or nas. But most of them would be basing their ranking off of their music from the 2000's and later.

I know cause I've went to school with the folks I'm talking about. And from being online other places like reddit and YouTube.

J cole, kendrick, drake are top five for a lot of people. Even Ski mask the slump god is top 5 to somebody

Yall might not agree, but yall don't have to. Your top 5 is yours. But let the young folks have theirs. The fact that a bunch of people still care enough about the genre to keep having these conversations is a good sign it'll keep going. Cause if everybody just kept elevating past acts as untouchable, rap would fall off and be stagnant just like rock music did.

I like rap music best went the spirit of competition is kept alive. Making gods out of rappers is the opposite of how hip hop supposed to be. Every rapper should feel like they're the best and should show us why they feel we need to call them the best.

Like how a lotta rappers back down from battling guys like eminem and lupe. That ain't hip hop

Game is a fukk nikka, but him going at em was at least an attempt by somebody to actually put the legend to the test. It was a clumsy attempt based on how he promoted it, but game was keeping true to the spirit of competition. Which is why it was lame that eminem never responded. He still has never gone at somebody who can actually rap
But rap nikkas is still scared of this dude

If you talking about you the goat one minute, but say you're scared to battle eminem the next then

They need to stop mentioning it in their songs cause they ain't really about backing it up

 

[BaggerofTea]

I wasn't aware he wasn't

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Kendrick don’t blackout often but here’s a few cases in these verses:

That Part verse 2:

And we don't stress
A .38 'til it free your chest
Then PP on the PO's desk
I'm JAY-Z in a blowout press
Relate me to your blowout's best
Can't hate me, I'm remote you're deaf
I'm HD, causin' photo theft
My AC antifreeze gotta—that part
Hold your breath, I'm 8 feet when I hold this TEC
Protect me from the local threats
My ID say my eye don't rest
My IV qualify T-Rex
Society kept my IQ vexed
Denyin' me from an Ivy school
Applyin' me to the street I slept
I quietly had to hold this tool
Reminding me of the block I repped
The turf I stepped, the church and the earth I blessed
The first I guessed the alert was the murk I chef
That hearse the flirt with perks of a kill confessed
Dispersed the worst, the first 48 addressed
The search of laws and verse of the birth I nest
The—uh, the awe, the curse of a pose in zest
The good, the flaws, the pain to reverse what's left, uh

His long ass verse on the Heart pt 2 was one of his more impressive verses to me.

Rigamortis second verse.

Verses 2 and 3 of Hood Politics

Last verse on Untitled.07

Duckworth was cool to me as well.

Those are strong verses to me, but I can see how that isn’t fukking with a Lupe, Black Thought or Nas. Only area he’s seeing them in is the overall picture, the cohesion and strength of the albums.

To me, kendrick is at his best when he doesn't focus too heavily on multis and syllables

He said it himself, "[His] simplest shyt be more pivotal"

My favorite verse of his is from untitled 05

I got 100 on my dash, got 200 in my drum
Name in the grab bags, put my Bible in the trunk
Taaka vodka on the top of my binocular, I'm drunk
How come I can make them popular, pop em' when I want
See I'm livin' with anxiety, duckin' the sobriety
fukkin' up the system, I ain't fukkin' with society
Justice ain't free, therefore justice ain't me
So I justify his name on obituary
Why you wanna see a good man with a broken heart?
Once upon a time I used to go to church and talk to God
Now I'm thinkin' to myself, hollow tips is all I got
Now I'm drinkin' by myself, at the intersection, parked
Watch you when you walk inside your house
You threw your briefcase all on the couch
I plan on creeping through your fukkin' door and blowin' out
Every piece of your brain until your son jump in your arms
Cut on the engine, then sped off in the rain, I'm gone

Like you said, kendrick ain't seeing guys like Tariq or lupe, but he's extremely good at imagery and invoking emotion in the listener

All of his verses that stand out to me are the ones where he's telling a story or painting a picture. They always impress me cause he's really good at grabbing your attention with his stories. They're like movies in audio form

 

[BaggerofTea]

GOAT status includes impact. An ex-Nickelodeon child actor from Canada was and still is the top guy throughout Kendrick’s entire run. How can you be the goat when you never once stood at the top of your era

How is drake even coming up in these arguments.


Drake is an llc, not an artist. There are literally a whole crew of people that write and produce drake albums, aubrey Graham is nothing more than an image and voice.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

You proved my point breh

You named actors not far removed from your birth

You watching 70s movies as a kid in the 80s was just like us who grew up watching 90s movies in the early 2000s. Hence why a lot of us have attachment to that era.

You didn't name any of Hollywood actors just as I expected. But I probably wasn't clear enough on what I meant. I probably should've said "classical" Hollywood actors. As in, 1930's - 1950s Hollywood.

You gotta think about it. Kids born in the 2000's are pretty far removed from the primes of most rappers we revere. I had an older brother that was a rapper who told me a lot of history when I was a kid, but most folks around my way didn't. So they weren't nearly as knowledgeable.

The average kid born in 2005 and beyond is gonna likely know some history of rap. Mostly 2000's and 90s rappers. Everybody knows who tupac, biggie, and ice cube are. However, I doubt the average young hip hop fan will have the bulk of their top five be 90s rappers. It may be rappers who got their start in the 90s like Jay, em, or nas. But most of them would be basing their ranking off of their music from the 2000's and later.

I know cause I've went to school with the folks I'm talking about. And from being online other places like reddit and YouTube.

J cole, kendrick, drake are top five for a lot of people. Even Ski mask the slump god is top 5 to somebody

Yall might not agree, but yall don't have to. Your top 5 is yours. But let the young folks have theirs. The fact that a bunch of people still care enough about the genre to keep having these conversations is a good sign it'll keep going. Cause if everybody just kept elevating past acts as untouchable, rap would fall off and be stagnant just like rock music did.

I like rap music best went the spirit of competition is kept alive. Making gods out of rappers is the opposite of how hip hop supposed to be. Every rapper should feel like they're the best and should show us why they feel we need to call them the best.

Like how a lotta rappers back down from battling guys like eminem and lupe. That ain't hip hop

Game is a fukk nikka, but him going at em was at least an attempt by somebody to actually put the legend to the test. It was a clumsy attempt based on how he promoted it, but game was keeping true to the spirit of competition. Which is why it was lame that eminem never responded. He still has never gone at somebody who can actually rap
But rap nikkas is still scared of this dude

If you talking about you the goat one minute, but say you're scared to battle eminem the next then

They need to stop mentioning it in their songs cause they ain't really about backing it up

William Marshall's best work best work were in films before my mother was born. How is that not far from my birth? haha. On top of that, I'm a big fan of westerns with Eastwood and Lee Van Cleef. Plus I'm a a HUGE horror fan and Peter Cushing is one of my favorites along with Hitchcock thrillers. So you're wrong again. I watch more horror than anything.

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

William Marshall's best work best work were in films before my mother was born. How is that not far from my birth? haha. On top of that, I'm a big fan of westerns with Eastwood and Lee Van Cleef. Plus I'm a a HUGE horror fan and Peter Cushing is one of my favorites along with Hitchcock thrillers. So you're wrong again. I watch more horror than anything.

I only knew William marshall from blackula, so I'll conceal on him

I'll give you lee van clef too

But overall, would you agree that you don't hold 30's and 40's actors I your top 5?

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

I only knew William marshall from blackula, so I'll conceal on him

I'll give you lee van clef too

But overall, would you agree that you don't hold 30's and 40's actors I your top 5?

my personall top 5 . no, ALL TIME?? I don't make lists of all time best actors because I truly don't know. It's ok to say "I don't know enough about the subject to make a top 5 or 1op 10 list". Nothing is wrong with that. ONce again, you're not understanding me.. I don't have a problem with anyone saying Kendrick is their personal favorite, but when people are saying he's the best all time or should be in the conversation, that's itself is dumb as fukk. I've never said Wesley or Denzel are the goats of actings hahaha. I'm not qualified to make that claim. But we have people that have never listened to a hip hop record released prior to 2000 telling us who the all time greats are. Does that make sense to you? Most of Jay Z fans have never heard Reasonable Doubt. I've met people that told me their introduction to Jay Z was Hard Knock Life!!!