Why isnt Martin considered a "new black" or "c00n" show?

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

c00ning – Using buffoonery to satirize stereotypical characteristics of ANY race or ethnic group for purposes of entertainment.
Historically, white actors would dress in shabby clothing, paint their faces black, speak with slow, slang filled speech, and portray ape-like mannerisms. Today, most cases of c00ning involves a person satirizing his/her own race for personal gain i.e. musicians, comedians, actors. [See movies Hollywood Shuffle and Bamboozled]

"How can you decipher between slapstick comedy and c00ning when a comedian, musician, or actor is an African American? Just ask yourself if this person’s actions would be entertaining if it was done by a Caucasian person. If the answer is no, then the person is c00ning."

 

[Rice'N Beckford]

GTD

 

[#SOG_soldier]

Who starting the neg train :jay74:

 

[Tommy Sheppard]

 

[Blackking]

 

[#SOG_soldier]

You the c00n

 

[#SOG_soldier]

I'm high as hell

 

[Blackking]

It would be nice if people properly and correctly defined c00n and new black around here for a change.

op

/thread.

 

[skokiaan]

Difference is that Martin wasn't created for the enjoyment of white people. The jokes would go over their heads and it was really designed for us to poke fun at ourselves and laugh. Not c00n at all

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

Difference is that Martin wasn't created for the enjoyment of white people. The jokes would go over their heads and it was really designed for us to poke fun at ourselves and laugh. Not c00n at all

Neither was hip hop.

but, I digress.

During his stint with Def Comedy Jam, Lawrence appeared in his own hit series, Martin, which aired on Fox TV.[2] The show ran from 1992 to 1997 and was an enormous success. Martin was the flagship of Fox's Thursday-night line-up, which drew millions of viewers away from NBC's "Must See TV" line-up. He hosted Saturday Night Live on February 19, 1994, where he made crude remarks about women's genitalia and personal hygiene; the monologue was completely edited out of NBC reruns and syndicated versions, and Lawrence was banned from the show for life. Martin's ratings continued to skyrocket so much that Fox became more of a contender against NBC and came closer to being considered among the top television networks.


Yeah, I'm sure only Black people watched arguably the 2nd biggest show at the time.

 

[Black]

 

[Sad Bunny]

Yall nikkas look too deep into everything.

Just live life....wasting all this energy and debating for what? You gone die and be forgotten anyways

 

[Paper Boi]

1 star

 

[The Emperor]

Y'all keep acting like Martin is the pinnacle of black television achievement, and the "GOAT siticom" but Im surprised the show hasnt raised y'all ire given the coli militant standards, and yall collective ability to turn everything into degradation of the black race:

The central character is Martin, who is unserious, unfocused, unintelligent and lives so far off on the economic margins that he can only afford a modest apt in a low income area of detroit, which could be a housing project if you look at the building and those who live there hard enough.

Martin, of course, plays a host of characters who are all dumber than the next. One a is female named 'Sheneneh' (black male emasculation? gay agenda?), who seems to be written with the sole intent of maxing out on every bad black woman stereotype ever invented.

His two best friends are Cole and Tommy. The former is a barely functioning retard, and the latter is best known for not having a job.

Martin's girlfriend is Gina, who enjoyed the best written character on the show. She's extremely bright, and the only one thats clearly college educated. She's successful, not promiscuous, logical, the emotional and moral anchor in almost every situation, and always the voice of reason amongst a sea of idiots. And also not so coincidentally she was the lightest person on the show --- her skin so light in fact she was practically racially ambiguous.

Pam is Gina's best friend. Her character isnt too offensive, but she was clearly written to serve as Gina's inferior and chosen as Martin's foil for a reason. She gets by on her sex appeal and little else --- certainly not her integrity, which is always painted as being low to non-existent.

The rest of the show is filled out by a motley crew of aimless low lifes --- bruh man? hustle man? Stan, the station manager at WZUP????

I know its just a show designed for jokes, but logic like that hasnt stopped ya'll before. What gives?

You over thinking this one.
It was black comedy.
Why did Martin have to be financially well off to be respected? The man worked an honest job and worked his way to the American dream.

Tommy had a job, it's just that nobody knew what he did It was just a running joke.

Now let's flip this.

George Costanza lived with his parents like Cole did.
Kramer has absolutely NO JOB for 99.9% of Seinfeld.

Just enjoy the laughs man.

 

[Dev2103]

The way you characterize the "low life" people that live in these environments speaks for itself. I found Martin hard working, caring for Gina, and a loyal friend. The other characters are relatable to many and you can almost put yourself in exact situations that they or Martin were in. As for contradictions like another poster mentioned it's more of an inside joke type of self deprecating humor. Obviously some people were on the outside looking in.