Why It's Impossible to Indict a Cop

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Prisons don't interact with the public in the same way as police, and its easier to bend/break rules out of the view of the public. Officers don't have this luxury. What they do have is self regulation and the ability to determine they have done no wrong... That's what privatizing them will end.

That said, I can say(for certain) that we wouldn't see those sort of outcomes, but we would definitely be in a better position to address those problems, through local elections and market competition.

This is what I have trouble with will there be sufficient competition? Take NYC for example, we're talking about 50,000 employees. Do you envision a scenario where nyc has multiple options for private policing? Are there currently enough companies that could handle this? If not how realistic is it that there ever would be?

I could see this working in smaller towns/municipalities just struggling to envision the logistics involved with bigger cities.
 

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i think what he is saying is when it comes to "privatized" functions that were once administrered by the government what you definitely wind up with is a shyt show and more damage is done not just because the contractors dont have a vested intrest in doing the right thing - but also because the often do the WRONG thing to make a profit or increase profit
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First I'm going for better, not perfect... or even good to be honest, cause I think the real issues that plague law enforcement are deep rooted and cannot be legislated, or privatized away. What I'm suggesting is simply a better trade off.

I think the devil(of which you speak) may be in the details though, and privatization contracts must be detailed and establish all the necessary standards, monitoring procedures and restrictions to ensure that public authority can hold contractors accountable...

But again, this is in theory.
 

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The difference lies in accountability, and transparency...

I have yet to hear of a private business that operates with the impunity that govt. does.

Enron, Worldcon, nearly every major bank and Wall Street institution...

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the Vatican :huhldup:
 

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"with the impunity that govt. does"

Who have they(Enron and the like) executed in the street repercussion free? :ld:
Two completely different beast... I'm not sure how you can even compare them.

It's hard to make a direct comparison given the near unlimited power the US government has. But in terms of getting away with egregious shyt scott free? Banks are not far behind, nor is Wall Street.
 

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"with the impunity that govt. does"

Who have they(Enron and the like) executed in the street repercussion free? :ld:
Two completely different beast... I'm not sure how you can even compare them.
maybe banks arent executing people intbe stdeet - but they make damn sure people live in them
 
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Prisons don't interact with the public in the same way as police, and its easier to bend/break rules out of the view of the public. Officers don't have this luxury. What they do have is self regulation and the ability to determine they have done no wrong... That's what privatizing them will end.

That said, I can say(for certain) that we wouldn't see those sort of outcomes, but we would definitely be in a better position to address those problems, through local elections and market competition.

Privatizing wont fix the self regulation of these companies. We've already seen that they do as they please for the most part. I don't know why you keep bringing this point up, when there is always a precedence of this happening.
 

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Privatizing wont fix the self regulation of these companies. We've already seen that they do as they please for the most part. I don't know why you keep bringing this point up, when there is always a precedence of this happening.
Correct. Its has already been tried in ethnic neighbourhoods and produced terrible results.
 

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Given the outcome of the furgerson trial and other mishaps that are obviously tell-tell signs of the

Corruption in ‘our’ government, I personally do not like the idea of a privatized police force and it should

be an last resort.

For one, our goal is for institutions to become more accountable, not less. Privatizing a

police force not only removes accountability, it erases it all together by placing the responsibility on the

shoulders of some random company whose defense from the necessary ‘who watches the guard’ law

of the government Is the fact that they are funded by the private sector and there for are answerable

to that sector, not the public aka civilians. The civilians, as in us, pay their pensions and salaries (our

leverage over them) as a tradeoff for their protection in theory – if that funding where replaced by an

private sector, how do you think that tradeoff would morally work?
 

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Correct. Its has already been tried in ethnic neighbourhoods and produced terrible results.
Imo it'd have terrible results in any neighborhood. Who does the corporation answer to? The government? The same government that puts them in power and is more than likely making money off of them anyway? That's the flawed logic in this argument. People think about how much of a better option it would be without looking at it in a functional, practical manner.
 

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Imo it'd have terrible results in any neighborhood. Who does the corporation answer to? The government? The same government that puts them in power and is more than likely making money off of them anyway? That's the flawed logic in this argument. People think about how much of a better option it would be without looking at it in a functional, practical manner.
As opposed to govt. answering to govt. :comeon:
The threat of being replaced and out of a job is more incentive than govt. will ever have to act right. Its becoming clear that you do not believe in competition what so ever as it answers most of the question you raise.
 
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