There are plenty of mentally disabled people in jail.
I didn't say he was a "hero". in fact I said:[/QUOTE]
You also said this
Which was the first thing I responded to. Dude doesn't deserve a pass either
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I didn't say he was a "hero". in fact I said:[/QUOTE]
You also said this
Which was the first thing I responded to. Dude doesn't deserve a pass either
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cosign it wasn't like he was thinking
"I'm just gonna string this girl along for 8 years so people won't think I'm gay"
He probably tried his hardest to become heterosexual and eventually realized it wasn't working and he would never be happy unless he came out.
I mean, not only is he gay, he's black AND a professional NBA player. That's a lot of pressure involved
And he probably genuinely loved his ex-fiance but maybe not physically
He's not a "hero" by any means but Ihim for finally being true to himself. We got a lot of folks on this forum who could learn from his example (Mowgli)
@MowgliI still disagree...i think he did string her along..a grown man in his late 20s just doesnt decide one morning
"hey imma try some dyck today for a change" By that age you definitely know what you like and you know theres no changing it...why would you fukk with someone elses valuable time and give them false hope for 8 years unless your a self centered douche...
Imagine your sister had waited on some guy from when she was 28 and when she turned 36 and thought they would settle down and have some kids he "comes out"...
...most people would be upset ....fists will fly not confettiAnd thats my point ...i dont think despicable is a heroic quality
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and plenty that are found "not guilty by reason of insanity" or "guilty but insane/mentally ill"
I don't look at world like that. or at least I try not to. for me things are more complicated than hero/villain, pass/vilify, ps3/xbox, Jay/Nas, etc
I still disagree...i think he did string her along..a grown man in his late 20s just doesnt decide one morning
By that age you definitely know what you like and you know theres no changing it...why would you fukk with someone elses valuable time and give them false hope for 8 years unless your a self centered douche...
Imagine your sister had waited on some guy from when she was 28 and when she turned 36 and thought they would settle down and have some kids he "comes out"...
And thats my point ...i dont think despicable is a heroic quality
Jason Collins is a despicable human being. His career is going nowhere so hes using the fact he likes to get his shyt pushed in as one last job so he can retire with a few extra M's in his bank account. At the expense of this poor woman who trusted him. This is why i feel that nikkas who wife up white women are typically on the DL. They dont know the signs of weakness so they can see a fruit booty nikka and think hes a real man not knowing the nikka is just using her as a front. Jason Collins is a piece of shyt. This nikka really want props for being a fakkit and betraying his woman. Sadly, the gay community applauds him because they are equally trash like him and have no quams betraying people they care about.
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Those people are still incarcerated or monitored so they won't hurt others or themselves. Their actions are never excused or applauded.
Also I find it funny that you are comparing homosexuality to mental disability. If I had made that comparision you'd say they aren't comparable.
Who said anything about any of that.no no, this is just where the convo ended up, after I admittedly went "full-retard". I just feel that sometimes extreme examples are better at proving a point
I just did. I try to understand things, not feel good or bad about them
Do you understand why this thread exists, and why people take offense to this guy being called a hero, or getting a pass for basically ruining another persons life?
I'm here to participate in the conversation, and hopefully gain more understanding of all that
I understand that some people hate the gays. but that's boring. so I'd rather get further into it (pause)
Other than Mowgli. I haven't seen any "gay hate" in this thread. If you were really about participating, and learning you'd try to understand that criticism of a gay person does not equal "gay hate"
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He was actually engaged to this woman for 8 YEARS..thats 8 years of lying and the opportunity cost to this poor girl..within those 8 years she could have met someone else and started the family she wanted had this chump had some integrity ..imagine how you would feel if someone promised to get married to you and stung you along for 8 years knowing full well at the end of it they will back out
This pretend morality that always shows up during these conversations absolutely kills me.
I don't see any difference between what he did and what y'all probably been doing since high school.
it was half a joke, and statement about this subject in general
Nope I'm happily married. And I am appalled by the way some people view sex and relationships, gay or straight.
The endless passes and
y'all do for gay folks is what kills me.If this guy was straight and mislead a woman for 8 years then left her, you would not be defending him.
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Ive only told one woman i would marry them...i kept my promiseIve never strung a girl along even for 8 days
Im surprised at this...you are one of the more thoughtful and engaging posters around. Im unclear why you're taking this angle so forcefully.
You cant remove societal pressures away from this conversation, which is highly discriminatory and injurious towards gay americans. Coming out is psychologically torturous ---- to know one will have to face unrelenting bigotry and hatred, and a compromised way of life.
So "lies and deceit" is an intellectually incurious way of defining his relationship with his ex-fiancee. More than likely he loved her, and wanted to make it work, but he ultimately could not deny who he was for any longer. The relationship ended like any other --- and there are often a million reasons why relationships fall by the wayside. Im sure his ex-fiancee is bitter and a bit embarrassed, but you are reaching considerably to try to project malice on to Collins here.
I think Collins is definitely a hero for coming out, and embracing hatred, so as to make it easier for other gay Americans to feel comfortable with who they are. I had a gay friend who tried to jump off of a bridge before he came out, because he was so tortured on the inside. Sht aint a game.
