Why Kobe Bryant was a greater scorer than LeBron James will ever be
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Detroit, Miami, Boston, Chicago, Indiana.
The East suffered because they didn't have offensive firepower, but there were more elite defenses in the East than in the West.
Lebron's career stats are BETTER against the West than against the East.
Eastern Conference career numbers: 27.1ppg, 7.1rpg, 6.9apg on 49.7% shooting, 32.6% from three
Western Conference career numbers: 27.2ppg, 7.3rpg, 7.1apg on 50.1% shooting, 36.5% from three
Kobe's career stats against the East are worse than his stats against the West too.
Eastern Conference career numbers: 24.2ppg, 5.2rpg, 4.7apg on 43.9% shooting, 33.1% from three
Western Conference career numbers: 25.4ppg, 5.4rpg, 4.7apg on 45.2% shooting, 32.8% from three
If Kobe and Lebron both played in the same conference, then Lebron's advantage over Kobe would be even LARGER.
That's as clear an L as someone can take on a claim.
IllmaticDelta
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is the right one to use on your post breh. Better efficiency /= better scorer. .
Who had the more variety in the way they could score between Kobe and Bron? We might as well throw Tmac in there too. The different ways they could get buckets shows they were better at SCORING. But yea poor shot selection at time lowered their percentages. Steve Nash shot better percentages than AI but was he the better scorer? I cant say that. Just like I cant say that Shaq was a better scorer than Hakeem no matter what the percentages say. This over focus on stats/analytics ruins the feel for the actual game of basketball. Think of it in the most simplest terms.
Lebron didn't just score at a higher %, he was scoring MORE points at a higher %. This isn't talking about Nash vs. AI, because Nash had half the points that AI did. It's more like Durant vs. Westbrook. And I'm sure as hell taking Durant as far as scoring goes.
What the hell does any of this have to do with the Kobe vs. Lebron debate? You seriously trying to claim that Lebron needs more help to score, like he didn't have his best scoring years with an awful offensive lineup in Cleveland and a completely incompetent coach on that end? Or that Kobe didn't benefit from other guys drawing attention on that side of the ball a lot more than Lebron did?
Or are you trying to argue that iso-ball and hero-ball is the purest form of basketball?
You could NEVER play Kobe or Tmac or even AI like the Spurs did Bron in 07
No, you just single-cover him and bait him to playing hero-ball and trashing it for his team, like the Pistons did him in 2004.
That's always been another made-up claim. Yes, Lebron is better at finding the open man than Kobe is, but Lebron has been forced to take basically the same number of shots at the end of the shot clock as Kobe has. For both players, it's a tiny % of their overall scoring, happening on average no more than 2-3 times a game.
It's like you're trying to squeeze a WPOY post into every thread. No, Howard is not a better scorer than Kobe, because he didn't score nearly as many points as Kobe. Being a better scorer is a combination of volume AND efficiency.
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So Shaq is a better scorer than Hakeem because he had better percentages?
Yeah, Shaq was a more dominant scorer than Hakeem, were you not alive in the 1990s and early 2000s?
It's not just because Shaq has better percentages, it's because Shaq was more dominant at putting the ball in the bucket, and did it a lot more often. I think Hakeem was a better all-around player than Shaq because he was a better passer and a better defender, but Shaq was the more dominant scorer.
Hakeem only scored 25ppg three times in his entire 18-year career.
Shaq scored 26+ppg for ten consecutive years.
Once Hakeem developed his post game (which didn't really happen till he hit his 30s, he came into the NBA looking as raw as Shaq), he was a much more beautiful scorer than Shaq was. But he wasn't a more dominant one.
I swear, ya'all would say that Gatlin is a better sprinter than Bolt because his stride is prettier.
Wait, what the hell kind of sense does that make?
You're trying to claim that Hakeem is a better scorer than Shaq, but then say that Shaq is better for team success, even though scoring is the ONLY advantage that Shaq holds over Hakeem?
Hakeem was a better ball-handler than Shaq, a better passer than Shaq, a better rebounder than Shaq, and a better defender than Shaq. How the HELL is Shaq a better player for team success if he's not a better scorer?
Ya'all are trying WAY too hard on this crap. Apparently, being the better "scorer" is just a mythical quality that true basketball stans have a "feel" for.
But in your own words, it doesn't lead to more points OR better shooting percentages OR better team success.
It's just pretty.
Here's one more fact that everyone is sleeping on:
Ya'all talking like Lebron's never been able to score from all parts of the court, but while he was at Miami his midrange numbers were KILLING Kobe's career numbers.
Lebron in 4 seasons with Miami, 2011-2014:
0-3 feet: 77%
3-10 feet: 49%
10-16 feet: 44%
16-23 feet: 41%
3pt: 37%
Meanwhile, Kobe's best four-year stretch shooting was 2007-2010.
0-3 feet: 62%
3-10 feet: 48%
10-16 feet: 46%
16-23 feet: 41%
3pt: 35%
Lebron's peak four-year stretch from midrange and three was just as good as Kobe's peak four-year stretch from midrange and three.
But apparently, he "can't" score from midrange and deep, he can only do it from close in.
Try and explain that one away.
Ya'all talking like Lebron's never been able to score from all parts of the court, but while he was at Miami his midrange numbers were KILLING Kobe's career numbers.
Lebron in 4 seasons with Miami, 2011-2014:
0-3 feet: 77%
3-10 feet: 49%
10-16 feet: 44%
16-23 feet: 41%
3pt: 37%
Meanwhile, Kobe's best four-year stretch shooting was 2007-2010.
0-3 feet: 62%
3-10 feet: 48%
10-16 feet: 46%
16-23 feet: 41%
3pt: 35%
Lebron's peak four-year stretch from midrange and three was just as good as Kobe's peak four-year stretch from midrange and three.
But apparently, he "can't" score from midrange and deep, he can only do it from close in.
Try and explain that one away.
IllmaticDelta
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Only thing Kobe has over Lebron is the amount of ways he can score. Lebron is completely superior in every single other category and it isn't even close.
He's a better, more efficient scorer.
He's a better playmaker
He's a better defender
He's a better rebounder
He's a much smarter player
Lebron is top 3 while Kobe is top 15 maybe top 10 at a push, shyt isn't even close.
He's a better, more efficient scorer.
He's a better playmaker
He's a better defender
He's a better rebounder
He's a much smarter player
Lebron is top 3 while Kobe is top 15 maybe top 10 at a push, shyt isn't even close.
Lord_Chief_Rocka
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Also, I notice some people making the substance> versatility argument in favor of Lebron. But these were the same nikkas arguing Lebron was a better defender than Hakeem because of his "versatility"
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Lord_Chief_Rocka
Superstar
Great players numbers usually increase in the playoffs
Plus Kobes already retire whereas Lebron's in his prime. Lebron's averages will drop as he gets older just like every player
IllmaticDelta
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Also, I notice some people making the substance> versatility argument in favor of Lebron. But these were the same nikkas arguing Lebron was a better defender than Hakeem because of his "versatility"
you can't compare scoring to defense
On offense it's all about high % and eff scoring. Who cares how many moves you have if your conversion rate is low You want Rick Smits or Shaq?
Lord_Chief_Rocka
Superstar
you can't compare scoring to defense
I could argue who cares how many different positions someone can guard when a dominant center literally affects everyone
Breh just admit the argument was stupid.
