This thread is trash on numerous levels..
Where do I even begin?
Where do I even begin?
Why Kobe Bryant was a greater scorer than LeBron James will ever be
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Defenses faced by Lebron in the playoffs, according to Drtg
2016: 7 games against #5 Warriors, 6 games against #11 Raptors, 4 games against #2 Hawks, 4 games against #12 Pistons
2015: 6 games against #1 Warriors, 4 games against #6 Hawks, 6 games against #11 Bulls, 4 games against #12 Celtics
2014: 5 games against #3 Spurs, 6 games against #1 Pacers, 5 games against #20 Nets, 4 games against #6 Bobcats
2013: 7 games against #3 Spurs, 7 games against #1 Pacers, 4 games against #6 Bulls, 5 games against #12 Bucks
2012: 5 games against #9 Thunder, 7 games against #2 Celtics, 6 games against #11 Pacers, 5 games against #5 Knicks
2011: 6 games against #7 Mavs, 5 games against #1 Bulls, 5 games against #2 Celtics, 5 games against #14 Sixers
2010: 6 games against the #5 Celtics, 5 games against the #11 Bulls
2009: 6 games against #1 Magic, 4 games against #12 Hawks, 4 games against the #15 Pistons
2008: 7 games against #1 Celtics, 6 games against #24 Wizards
2007: 4 games against #2 Spurs, 6 games against #6 Pistons, 6 games against #15 Nets, 4 games against #27 Wizards
2006: 7 games against #5 Pistons, 6 games against #22 Wizards
That only comes out to 37 games against #1 teams...but in 2012 the Celtics were only a fraction of a point behind the Bulls, so I'm guessing by another calculation the 2012 Celtics end up #1, and that's how you get to 44 games.
44 playoff games against #1 defenses and 94 playoff games against top-5 defenses.
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Jordan>>LeFrozen
It was written in the Bible
We still acting like Kobe didn't have major playoff games while playing with shaq
Los Angeles Lakers vs San Antonio Spurs - 2001 WC Finals
Kobe - 33.3 PPG
Shaq - 27 PPG
Los Angeles Lakers vs San Antonio Spurs - 2002 WC Semi Finals
Kobe - 26.2 PPG
Shaq - 21.4 PPG
Lakers Vs Kings
Kobe-35.0 ppg
Shaq-33.0 ppg
Not only that, Kobe averaged 40 for a month on several occasions. You telling me all those teams he played monthly were all garbage low end teams
43.4 ppg in January 2006
- played 13 games
- includes 81 point game & two 50+ games
- 8 games played before playoffs
- streak of nine straight 40+ point games
- only player other than Wilt (two 14-game 40+ streaks & one 10-game streak)
- includes two 60+ games & three 50+ gamesThe
April 2006: 5.5r, 3.6a, 116/228 (50.9%)
Feb 2003: 4.9r, 3.6a, 194/411 (47.2%)
Mar 2007: 6.2r, 4.5a, 178/388 (45.9%)
But Kobe was never a efficient
even when he had a 4 50 game streakLebron never had that kind of scoring run with good numbers even when he was averging 35 in the playoffs. Even when he was playing with scrubs for the first part of his career. Lebron at 23 averaged 22.7 on 35% in 2007 finals
Kobe at that same exact age averaged 24 on 41% with huge games offensively and defensively against prime AI
Lebron at 23. 25.1 on 41% in a run to the 07 finals
Kobe at 23 , 29.1 on 46% in the most legendary playoff run by any team averaging only a point less that the 1st option Shaq
In 2012 finals. Lebron averaged 28 on 47.1% 18% from 3 against the thunder
In 2009. Kobe averaged 32 on 43.0 36% from the 3
They both had the same assists (7.4) though Lebron obviously led in reb. Kobe had more blocks and Lebron more steals.
In 2013. Lebron averaged 25 on 44% 33% from 3.
But hold on.
24 year old Kobe as "second fiddle" averaged almost 27(26.8) on 50 from the field and 50 from the 3 in 2002.
Kobe has contributed to more championships and playoff runs than lebron has. Even if we were to take away 2000 finals where he averaged only 15 on 38%. Although
But putting this to the side cause Kobe had an overall bad series. In 2001. Kobe averaged 28.5. Shaq? 28.7
for the regular season. Playoffs? Kobe 29.1 Shaq 30.4.Finals Kobe return to be a full side kick but even that series, in Game 2 & 3 Kobe had the highest points both games.
2002? Kobe averaged almost 27 on 50% from both the field and 3.
If I look at lebron between 2007-2009. He had some Jordan kind of series including 35 in the 2009 playoffs. Better than numbers and shooting than Kobe. I also watched lebron quit on his team and quit on even Wade and bosh
Lebron would depart to Miami where we seen what happened in 2011 I won't even bother posting that.
Kobe contributed to a more championship teams than Lebron did. Even if we take away 2000. Kobe contributed to 4 championship teams. Lebron? 7 trips and only 3 times he contributed to a championship team. Now a Bron Stan would say "but but lebron was a leader 3 times, Kobe only twice!" And you have a point. Since Shaq, Kobe had ONE big time player in Pau gasol by his side in the finals. Lebron had HOF Wade, possible HOf Bosh, Kyrie, Love & HOF Ray Allen in a course of 5 years
all in their primes except ray Allen. Kobe had flabby Gary Payton and Karl Malone who spent their primes getting their ass kicked by jordan. There was Robert Horry. Idk if he's hall of famers but he has 7 rings so if u want to count him.Oh and Kobe has 36 game winners
Lebron's number of game winners so far, idk I don't even think people count that numbers.
Yea Lebron has possibly the greatest NBA finals series of all time, I'm not bias unlike u fakkits I pop shyt but will admit where lebron ultimately will win because I'm not a fakkit and these 2 nikkas not paying my bills but Kobe contributed to 4 championship teams on a high level. Lebron? Only 3.
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And like clockwork, a Kobestan comes in with a rambling-ass post bragging about second-fiddle championships, scoring streaks in random-ass regular season games, quoting a ditched Dan Gilbert like he's the authority on Lebron's effort, listing game-winners without noticing game-winner misses, and comparing whatever playoff years pulled at random might make Kobe look good (like 23-year-old Lebron paired with Daniel Gibson and coached by Mike Brown is getting the same offensive opportunities as 23-year-old Kobe paired with freaking Shaq and coaching by Phil Jackson).
Jordan>>LeFrozen
It was written in the Bible
And like clockwork, a Kobestan comes in with a rambling-ass post bragging about second-fiddle championships, scoring streaks in random-ass regular season games, quoting a ditched Dan Gilbert like he's the authority on Lebron's effort, listing game-winners without noticing game-winner misses, and comparing whatever playoff years pulled at random might make Kobe look good (like 23-year-old Lebron paired with Daniel Gibson and coached by Mike Brown is getting the same offensive opportunities as 23-year-old Kobe paired with freaking Shaq and coaching by Phil Jackson).
Oh so no long winded breakdown of all of Lebron and kobes stats like you how you reply to everybody else
I fought everything you said and made points of my own You sit in every thread writing essays as if u have a school assignment on lebrons playing career but don't even bother to quote me when I actually gave you a good response with stats instead of opinions?
hold this L blood. Now mike brown and Daniel Gibson matter but when I said the lakers would prevail over the cavs in a Finals You said the lakers and the same Phil Jackson would lose to Lebron, mike brown and the same Daniel Gibson
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Goatpoacher
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Oh so no long winded breakdown of all of Lebron and kobes stats like you how you reply to everybody else
I fought everything you said and made points of my own You sit in every thread writing essays as if u have a school assignment on lebrons playing career but don't even bother to quote me when I actually gave you a good response with stats instead of opinions?
I have asked this question for years but I never get a response from you idiots. Kobe played 20 seasons and has 2 scoring titles. He has less than Kevin Durant who has played half the number of seasons. He has the same number as Tmac who was only healthy 3 seasons. How do you tout him as this transcendent scorer when he only was the best scorer in the league in 2 out of 20 years?
Jordan>>LeFrozen
It was written in the Bible
133 40 point games
24 - 50pt games
4 50+pt games in a row
81
62 in 3qtr
5 60pt games
12 40point games in PO
avg 35.4pts for a season
Averaged 29.1 as a second option
Averaged more than prime Shaq throughout two of those 2001 playoff series(Spurs and kings)
KD has never had the scoring output Kobe had. More efficient? Yes but what's KDs best run vs kobes in his 3 or 4 scoring tittles?
This is a question I always ask but u idiots never answer either. It's either "but but but what about efficiency" or "but but but what about Shaq" even though kobes greatest shooting displays came after Shaq
I have to give kredit to @newzzz for this
How do yall say a player who's averaged 35.4 ppg in 1 season is less of a scorer than someone who's current career high is 30.1 ppg?
Then yall bring up scoring titles?
Kevin Durant won his scoring titles averaging 30.1 ppg, 28.0 ppg, and 27.7 ppg. Kobe has averaged 28.5 ppg, 30.0 ppg, 28.3 ppg, 27.9 ppg in different seasons, which is more than what Kevin Durant has done and STILL did not win the scoring title, because he played in a different era where there were more ball dominant scoring Perimeter players
Hell, he had to average 35.4 to win his 1st one (AI averaged 33.4 ppg that season and finished 2nd)
Kobe came off the bench his first 2 seasons and still has a career ppg of 25.5 after 18 seasons plus he was playing with Shaq from 1997-2004. With Shaq on the Lakers, Kobe had a career average of 21.8 ppg. Without Shaq on the Lakers, Kobe has a career average of 28.5 ppg
How dare yall try to compare Kobe playing with Shaq to Kevin Durant playing with Shaquille O'Neal?
Shaquille O'Neal averaged 27 ppg in his 8 seasons on the Lakers alongside Kobe......Russell Westbrook averages 20.0 ppg in his 5 seasons playing alongside Kevin Durant. Not even comparable.
Bottomline, get that bullshyt outta here
This your answer
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Goatpoacher
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Well, you and @newzzz are both idiots. When you complain about Wilt Chamberlain averaging 50ppg, kobestans claim that was a different era. On the other hand, we can compare kobe to his peers for each of his seasons in the league. What you are other kobestan retards don't understand is simple: IF KD only averaged 30.8 in a season, then how the hell did Kobe not exceed that? KD was winning scoring titles when KOBE WAS IN HIS PRIME.
So Kobe's a better scorer than KD but couldn't average more ppg even though KD was still young and Kobe was in his prime?
superunknown23
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Kobe stans looking real
Bilz
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at how often Kobestans will shyt on their own arguments
Goatpoacher
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Take a look at KD's first Scoring title
2009-10 Regular Season NBA Player Stats and League Leaders - Scoring Per Game - National Basketball Association - ESPN
So KD lead the league in scoring ... and Kobe was 4th? Kobe was taking more shots, too. And he was 4th? Was Kobe not in his Prime then? HE even scored less than Lebron despite shooting more!
2009-10 Regular Season NBA Player Stats and League Leaders - Scoring Per Game - National Basketball Association - ESPN
So KD lead the league in scoring ... and Kobe was 4th? Kobe was taking more shots, too. And he was 4th? Was Kobe not in his Prime then? HE even scored less than Lebron despite shooting more!
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I’m here for the scraps
Nah fam. Kobe's prime was strictly 2004-2007 when he won 2 scoring titles and 0 playoff series. Entirely post Shaq and pre Gasol
Jordan>>LeFrozen
It was written in the Bible
I never complained about Wilt. Kobe has more scoring outputs than KD
35.1
28.5
30.0
31.6
27.4
28.3
27.0
27.9
27.3
25.2
25.3
Vs KD
25.3
30.1
27.1
28.0
28.1
32.0
28.2
So Kobe has 4 more seasons averaging 25. He has 2 seasons more than KD best. It just so happen that there were better scorers than Kobe outside of 2. It really is just that simple.
KD does not have more scoring seasons than Kobe and Kobe has 2 more seasons higher than Durant best. It's just that simple
Also factor in injury and that Kobe scoring production has went down over the years before retirement. Who's to say that god forbid, that won't happen to KD before he retires?
There's no difference in KD or Kobe scoring output. They both out multiple 25+ seasons. Kobe put out more but there was always just a better scorer outside of 2. KD just so happen to score the most in his years he won. It's that simple.
Wade AI and I think even Lebron has legendary scoring seasons through a Kobe run at averaging 25+. Kobe at this point still has more 25+ seasons and god forbid Kevin Durant suffers injury. and can't put up 25+ no more, his PPG average will go down as well.
Goatpoacher
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Nah fam. Kobe's prime was strictly 2004-2007 when he won 2 scoring titles and 0 playoff series. Entirely post Shaq and pre Gasol
No, Kobe's prime was his 81 point game, his series against the spurs, and the occasional scoring outbursts he had against bottom feeding teams in the regular season. :jjjjj:
Goatpoacher
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When you're a crayon eating kobestan, this is what kind of idiocy naturally follows: So you want to take peak performance? Did you ever notice that scoring goes up and down in bunches? When Kobe scored 35ppg, look at AI and Lebron's numbers.
2005-06 Regular Season NBA Player Stats and League Leaders - Scoring Per Game - National Basketball Association - ESPN
AI was only 2 points per game behind, and shot 2 fewer FG's?
But you are also missing the real question. In 2009-2010, Kobe was IN HIS PRIME. KD was 21 or 22 years old? KObe was healthy? How come he scored less than KD? And Lebron?