Why the market for skin lightening is growing

[get these nets]

1st how old is this shyt cmon breh try harder.
2nd Just cuz you advertise something in the magazine dont mean people running to buy it.
3rd I looked the company up and the only thing that came back was a Nigerian articles

Yall really trying hard to make this seem like an AA problem have i seen colorism in the AA community yes, but compared to other non AA communities its nothing, in fact living in such a diverse city with so many different types of Black People ive noticed that swirling, c00ning and self hate in general is very prevalent with people of Caribbean descent, even started to notice 9/10 if a black person down here with a cac they Jamaican.

I have no idea why yall have a very rich culture and some beautiful women.

1) the old ads were for context, to support my point about these products having been sold for DECADES

2) yes, companies spending ad dollars consistently over decades for products that their target audience does NOT purchase.....that makes sense to nobody

3) Caribbeans dating interracially...disproportionately so.....that's a fact. Next you'll point out to me that water is wet. I have relatives in Montreal and 75% of married to blan (whites), it's disgusting and that's hardly a coincidence. I have known Haitians who walk around looking SICKLY.....like ghosts with bizarre looking skin from bleaching and they do it with not a trace of SHAME.

I think if you re-read all of my posts in this thread, you'll get what my point was.

It was people who couldn't address or counter the point who started copping pleas and deflecting. That's always easier than talking about the truth.

 

[get these nets]

I've seen actual skin bleaching products at a pharmacy in my city with dust on the shyt, but guess what never seen a woman in my city go from dark to light, that shyt is NOT wavy in America.

They sell ant farms on the side of the road in Nebraska too, don't mean nikkas is pulling up buying them shyts.​

I made the distinction between the nature of bleaching, and the %s of the lightening agents in products sold in American retail stores and in foreign retail (and stores here catering to Black immigrant groups).

The stores carry the products here and consumers purchase them.I'd say that 3 out of 5 of the brands of skin & grooming products that most people use have a skin lightening product for sale in America.

Just because you don't live in a place like San Francisco, doesn't meant that there aren't gay people in your city.

 

[Black Haven]

This thread still going?

AA vs *insert random black ethnic group here* wars tend to do big numbers in the locker room. They bring out some of the most ignorant azz posters from both sides, which will cause the thread to later get bushed

 

[xoxodede]

My original intention was to merely point out that this stuff goes on throughout the diaspora and the continent. Next time you go to the barber beauty supply store that sells products for Black people, ask to see the skin lightening products. They are surely in stock. Store owner stocks them because they sell. Companies have been advertising in Black media for DECADES because people purchase the products.
I pointed out the differences between the products used in this country and the products used in foreign countries or ethnic stores catering to Black immigrants. Immigrants and people abroad use banned products. In America the products are regulated by thte FDA or which ever agency regulated skin creams. The banned substances are stronger and put the users in danger of skin cancer and other problems.

Again...I've written this all out in this thread. Next time you go to a pharmacy or beauty supply, ask to see the products. Then when you see them there, ask your self why self space would be devoted to products that don't sell.

If people believe that I'm on some "expert about other people's issues but silent about my own ethnic group's issues" shyt.......do a search for the topic of "child slavery" in "Haiti" on the coli. Restavec or child slavery is 10,000% more serious topic than skin bleaching. That thread had some of the same types of deflections that are in this thread...and I called BS on it, like I'm doing here.

You got the right person - as my B.S. is in Advertising/Marketing.

I see them in stores - but it's like 2-3 products - Palmers, Ambi and Nambi-something. And they don't market themselves as "skin lightners" - but something for "dark spots/scar/fade cream."

An advertiser is always looking for new consumers. They will continue to target a segment of a demographic - especially those with dark skin. What do they have to lose? Especially, if it's low-cost to do so. It's a lead for potential sale/consumers. That's all. But, that still doesn't mean it's selling to Black Americans or that the product is being purchased by Black Americans.

In 2018, where are these brands advertising? If they are advertising... which I doubt.... it's IN THE BACK. WAY BACK of magazines. The only magazines we really have left Essence and Ebony. No one is reading the back of magazines - especially for mini-ads.

So, the visibility for Black Americans seeing those product adverts are zero to none -- put that on top of most are not buying mags anymore.

Sometimes brands like Palmer's have other products they want to sell like Belly butter for stretch marks - and get a free advert in the back as a thank you - but even that is rare these days. As advertising any skin-lightening products is taboo in Black America.

I get RFP's for skin lightening campaigns - and I always decline. Most publications and online sites do so - cause they know Black Americans would boycott and speak out on about it. It's a NO for Black Americans.

So, where do Black Americans see these products? In Chinese/Korean/Asian beauty shops and grocery stores - but that doesn't equate to purchases.

Black barbershops and hairsalons - are not Black American exclusive - meaning other Black people who are 1st/2nd/immigrant frequent. And I have never seen skin-whitening products in a salon or barbershop. Not in a Black neighborhood or Black shop in general.

So, i'm sorry I don't believe it. If they are in barbershops - best believe that are not Black American owned -- or frequented by only Black Americans.

 

[get these nets]

Take the barber/beauty supply challenge. Go in there and ask them where those products are. Not whether they fully stock them, but where they are?
Nothing Koreans love doing more than ordering inventory that doesn't move.

If you do that, will wipe the smilie right off your face, guaranteed.

 

[xoxodede]

Take the barber/beauty supply challenge. Go in there and ask them where those products are. Not whether they fully stock them, but where they are?
Nothing Koreans love doing more than ordering inventory that doesn't move.

If you do that, will wipe the smilie right off your face, guaranteed.

You don't frequent Asian Beauty supply stores huh? I don't either - but I do know they keep their shelves stocked at all times --- whether it's being purchased or not. You will never go into a Asian/korean beauty supply store and they are out of something - they stay stocked.

Also, they usually own, have a stake in or own the distribution for many of the lightening products they stock in their stores.

That is how they been able to take of the Black Haircare industry as well - they buy or own distribution for many beloved "Black" products that Black women love. Making it hard to get them unless you go through them. And they won't sell them to Black owned stores - but that's another story.

Roots of tension: race, hair, competition and black beauty stores

 

[NvrCMyNut]

Skin bleaching is no different than white people going to the tanning salon.

 

[get these nets]

You got the right person - as my B.S. is in Advertising/Marketing.

I see them in stores - but it's like 2-3 products - Palmers, Ambi and Nambi-something. And they don't marketing themselves as "skin lightners" - but something for "dark spots/scar/fade cream."

An advertiser is always looking for new consumers. They will continue to target a segment of a demographic - especially those with dark skin. What do they have to lose? Especially, if it's low-cost to do so. It's a lead for potential sale/consumers. That's all. But, that still doesn't mean it's selling to Black Americans or that the product is being purchased Black Americans.

In 2018, where are these brands advertising? If they are advertising... which I doubt.... it's IN THE BACK. WAY BACK of magazines. The only magazines we really have left Essence and Ebony. No one is reading the back of magazines - especially for mini-ads.

So, the visibility for Black Americans seeing those product adverts are zero to none -- put that on top of most are not buying mags anymore.

Sometimes brands like Palmer's have other products they want to sell like Belly butter for stretch marks - and get a free advert in the back as a thank you - but even that is rare these days. As advertising any skin-lightening products is taboo in Black America.

I get RFP's for skin lightening campaigns - and I always decline. Most publications and online sites do so - cause they know Black Americans would boycott and speak out on about it. It's a NO for Black Americans.

So, where do Black Americans see these products? In Chinese/Korean/Asian beauty shops and grocery stores - but that doesn't equate to purchases.

Black barbershops and hairsalons - are not Black American exclusive - meaning other Black people who are 1st/2nd/immigrant frequent. And I have never seen skin-whitening products in a salon or barbershop. Not in a Black neighborhood or Black shop in general.

So, i'm sorry I don't believe it. If they are in barbershops - best believe that are not Black American owned -- or frequented by only Black Americans.

I have a degree with a concentration in marketing as well.

The nadinola, ambi, etc ads were always in the back of Ebony and Essence. Ebony's full print run is on google books, so you can see for yourself where they were always advertised.I mean the ENTIRE run. The product category were and are used and the ads were there to make and keep the customer aware of specific BRAND and their value over another brand. These ads have consistently been in THE biggest print magazines owned by and catering to Americans.
General skin care brands created specific products in that category as extensions of their other products.I believe Palmer's has skin lightener product, for example. Brands with high recognition among Black consumers often do this to capitalize, they slap their logo on a product and if it's next to another product on the shelf....makes customers think twice. They can also run ads which simultaneously promote their known products and introduce new ones as part of the (insert brand) FAMILY of products.
Again....I would guess that 3 out of 5 skin care brands recognized by Black people market some sort of lightener.

...and if you go through the years...you will see where they went from being blatantly called lighteners to the euphemisms that I alluded to earlier that came about during the "Black is Beautiful" era. You pointed out the modern euphemisms "dark spot fader"

I don't know why you mentioned and then dismissed Korean beauty/barber supply stores..as not equating to purchases. What % of beauty supply products purchased by Blacks in urban areas would you say are purchased there? I'd say a high %. In fact, if you bought you last shaving products at brick and mortar retail. chances are you bought them from Koreans. ..not the barbershop and not the beauty salon.


=will continue later, have to shovel=

 

[xoxodede]

I have a degree with a concentration in marketing as well.

The nadinola, ambi, etc ads were always in the back of Ebony and Essence. Ebony's full print run is on google books, so you can see for yourself where they were always advertised.I mean the ENTIRE run. The product category were and are used and the ads were there to make and keep the customer aware of specific BRAND and their value over another brand. These ads have consistently been in THE biggest print magazines owned by and catering to Americans.
General skin care brands created specific products in that category as extensions of their other products.I believe Palmer's has skin lightener product, for example. Brands with high recognition among Black consumers often do this to capitalize, they slap their logo on a product and if it's next to another product on the shelf....makes customers think twice. They can also run ads which simultaneously promote their known products and introduce new ones as part of the (insert brand) FAMILY of products.
Again....I would guess that 3 out of 5 skin care brands recognized by Black people market some sort of lightener.

...and if you go through the years...you will see where they went from being blatantly called lighteners to the euphemisms that I alluded to earlier that came about during the "Black is Beautiful" era. You pointed out the modern euphemisms "dark spot fader"

I don't know why you mentioned and then dismissed Korean beauty/barber supply stores..as not equating to purchases. What % of beauty supply products purchased by Blacks in urban areas would you say are purchased there? I'd say a high %. In fact, if you bought you last shaving products at brick and mortar retail. chances are you bought them from Koreans. ..not the barbershop and not the beauty salon.


=will continue later, have to shovel=

Brand recognition again doesn't equate to purchases. And I think IF some Black Americans did (or do) purchase those brands/products -- it is for that purpose - which is fading dark spots - not lightening their whole face/body. Dabbing it on spots as directed only. And that is still a very small percentage.

What percentage of of Black people in urban areas? I would say less than half. First due to their treatment of Black people and secondly due to most BW's dedication to natural and healthy hair.

Plus, with mass retailers such as Wal-mart, Target, Rite-Aid/Walgreens, Kroger and others now caring Black owned natural hair brands -- niche and mid-size -- and don't forget about Amazon. So, they don't have to rely on Korean stores anymore - that's why many Korean stores are not doing as well as they used to.

I do not shop or frequent Korean/Asian stores - my parents stopped that when I was a teen - and I have kept that energy.

 

[ezrathegreat]

That's it, I'm done. You nikkas is crazy.

 

[MoroccanBoy]

Skin bleaching is no different than white people going to the tanning salon.

White people literally lay on the beach all day doing nothing just so they can be darker skinned

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

You make guesses and general statements about Black Americans - cause you truly don't know about our culture -- you just think you do - cause you were raised here and around us. We are inclusive - so many people think they know us -- and they don't.

So the carribean known as Loius Farrakhan dont know the African American experience?

Woman you are a whole fool...

 

[K.O.N.Y]

The cartoon lady even has the face

 

[xoxodede]

So the carribean known as Loius Farrakhan dont know the African American experience?

Woman you are a whole fool...

I love Minister. But, he recognizes the differences and had made note of them many times. He also is well versed on the Black American experience and respects it. That's why when he speaks, we listen and respect it.

He talks about his Mom being from the islands in many of his teachings - and I love it - but he know his fam migrated here. Come on dude.

Even his story is different than the average Black American his age. Again, it's ok - to be different.

Farrakhan was born Louis Eugene Walcott in The Bronx, New York, the younger of two sons of Sarah Mae Manning (January 16, 1900 – November 18, 1988) and Percival Clark, immigrants from the Caribbean islands. His mother was born in Saint Kitts and Nevis. His father was a Jamaican native. The couple split before Louis was born. Farrakhan says he never knew his biological father. His mother then moved in with Louis Walcott from Barbados, who became his stepfather.[8] After Louis' stepfather died in 1936, the Walcott family moved to Boston, Massachusetts, where they settled in the West Indian neighborhood of Roxbury.[8]

Starting at the age of six, Walcott received rigorous training in the violin.[9] He received his first violin at the age of six, and by the time he was 13 years old he had played with the Boston College Orchestra and the Boston Civic Symphony.[8] A year later, he went on to win national competitions. In 1946, he was one of the first black performers to appear on the Ted MackOriginal Amateur Hour,[9] where he also won an award. He and his family were active members of the Episcopal St. Cyprian's Church in Roxbury.[8]

Walcott attended the prestigious Boston Latin School, and later the English High School, from which he graduated.[10] He completed three years at Winston-Salem Teachers College, where he had a track scholarship.[11]

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

I love Minister. But, he recognizes the differences and had made note of them many times. He also is well versed on the Black American experience and respects it. That's why when he speaks, we listen and respect it.

He talks about his Mom being from the islands in many of his teachings - and I love it - but he know his fam migrated here. Come on dude.

Even his story is different than the average Black American his age. Again, it's ok - to be different.

Farrakhan was born Louis Eugene Walcott in The Bronx, New York, the younger of two sons of Sarah Mae Manning (January 16, 1900 – November 18, 1988) and Percival Clark, immigrants from the Caribbean islands. His mother was born in Saint Kitts and Nevis. His father was a Jamaican native. The couple split before Louis was born. Farrakhan says he never knew his biological father. His mother then moved in with Louis Walcott from Barbados, who became his stepfather.[8] After Louis' stepfather died in 1936, the Walcott family moved to Boston, Massachusetts, where they settled in the West Indian neighborhood of Roxbury.[8]

Starting at the age of six, Walcott received rigorous training in the violin.[9] He received his first violin at the age of six, and by the time he was 13 years old he had played with the Boston College Orchestra and the Boston Civic Symphony.[8] A year later, he went on to win national competitions. In 1946, he was one of the first black performers to appear on the Ted MackOriginal Amateur Hour,[9] where he also won an award. He and his family were active members of the Episcopal St. Cyprian's Church in Roxbury.[8]

Walcott attended the prestigious Boston Latin School, and later the English High School, from which he graduated.[10] He completed three years at Winston-Salem Teachers College, where he had a track scholarship.[11]

If you never studied the 120 of the Nation of Islam ...

Then u know nothing of Minister Farrakhan

Cause he speaks of all of us (carribean..african american) here in the west as being the LOST TRIBE OF SHABAZZ

but you wouldnt know that cause like most 85ers you as a Black American woman is still praising jesus on sunday with Pastor Porkchop while your big self sukking on some Rib Bones cause you feel that defines YOU as an african american