Why The Redskins outrage SHoud be focused on FLoridat STate logo

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they have a co-sign from seminole nation of florida

The Seminole Tribe of Florida has granted written permission for the university to borrow symbols of its heritage. While other tribes have pressed institutions to amend certain traditions or abandon nicknames and logos, Florida State enjoys the imprimatur of its sports teams’ namesake.

“We Seminoles embrace that mascot,” Chief James Billie, the tribe’s chairman, said. “They honor us.”

Florida State students voted on the nickname in 1947, when the all-women college became coeducational and started a football program. (Other nominees included Golden Falcons, Indians and Crackers.)

The pregame theater featuring the characters Renegade (horse) and Osceola (human) was introduced in 1978, recalling a phase of history both meaningful and painful to Indians. Within a few years, the routine had ignited enough objections, primarily from civil rights and Indian activist groups, that the university pondered discarding it.

“There was pressure to change the nickname,” said Dale Lick, F.S.U.’s president in the early 1990s. “It was substantial.”

The tribe’s endorsement during meetings with Lick was all that Florida State needed to retain the images, even though the more distant Seminole Nation of Oklahoma was not as enthusiastic.

“Had Chief Billie and his leadership gone in another direction,” Lick said, “we might have changed it.”

In return, the university has provided scholarships and cut-rate tuition for tribe members. Dr. Patricia Wickman, who attended the meetings as the tribe’s director of anthropology and genealogy, urged Billie to seek 1 percent of revenue generated by the nickname, like money from souvenir sales.

“He looked at me like I was crazy,” said Wickman, now a consultant to the tribe.

Billie explained, “We enjoy the games, so we’re not begging for anything.”
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mrken12 said:
A lot of it is fake outrage anyway. Not really worth putting that much effort into it to begin with.
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so you support a name created by a violent racist and further supported by abusers of white privilege, most of them in states with confederate heritage, in that they exploit and objectify brown people oppressed by the white power structure in this country?

interesting, i wonder if you'd feel the same way had you been raised a raiders fan. funny how easily one's ethics get railroaded
 
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They asked the seminole tribe if they could use the logo and their name as the mascot before it was official


edit: Hmm just read that post, looks like im wrong
 
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malbaker86 said:
FSU already consulted w/Native Americans in regards to this from what I can remember.
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yea they paid them off

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horse. kills said:
they have a co-sign from seminole nation of florida




so you support a name created by a violent racist and further supported by abusers of white privilege, most of them in states with confederate heritage, in that they exploit and objectify brown people oppressed by the white power structure in this country?

interesting, i wonder if you'd feel the same way had you been raised a raiders fan. funny how easily one's ethics get railroaded
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Other nominees included Golden Falcons, Indians and Crackers.

Lol @ the thought of Jameis suiting up for the FSU Crackers. :skip:

Oh yeah. What's good with being offended for a people who are honored and are just enjoying the game :patrice:
 
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